'Provocative' clothing? Sure. 'Provocative' armor? No. Armor is meant to protect, all vital areas are supposed to be closed. There is no way RPG-style 'barbarian armor' be in the game, I suspect the mods would be plenty though.
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New CK3 pictures from Steam, RockPaperShotgun and GameWatcher
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1) what would be a name accurate for the period... while not being an ethnonym of a tribe stretching across half of Asian steppe?1) Zaporizhia? During this timeline? Seriously?
2) What in the world is Ismailid? I assume that means an Ismail dynasty-named empire, but that sounds strange and should surely not be the name of the de jure realm of Persia. Why on earth not just use Persia?
2) I guess it's like in CK2 where the muslim dymasties give their name to duchies, kingdoms and empires even on de jure map
Agreed. Hopefully this is still a WIP version and they will improve this.
Btw, how about the map, what do you think about it?
No. He wasn't. Ghana is an Arab distortion of actual Soninke title called probably Maghan... or a confusion of names such as Baghana, Baghena etc. There isn't scholarly consensus about the origin and/or particular medieval form, but it seems that Maghan or Magha are the forms most widely accepted as the title of kings of Wagadu/Ghana.
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Certainly the ancient sources have a term for the Pontic–Caspian steppe? I believe there's been some discussion about this topic before, and it has been brought up that the ancient sources referred to the region based on ancient ethnic groups that once inhabited the region, thus leading to the region being called Scythia or Sarmatia. Alternatively, the kingdom could be called Crimea, Taurica or Tauric Chersonese, after the peninsula which was the seat of permanent settlement and cities in the region.
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It's very detailed, even in my most optimistic moment I fully expected to have Liberia as either wasteland or just one big county. In that sense it exceeds my expectations.
I really like it and at the same time it confuses me a great deal because there is some choices I truly don't understand. Not in the sense that they are mistakes like calling the king of Ghana a Mansa but in the sense that I know there must be a reason why they did this, I just don't know why.
For instance, there is a kingdom called Adiukru in the Ivory Coast area which as far as I can tell is the German name for the Adjukru who are a very tinny ethnic group, and it borders the Akan kingdom, which wasn't really a thing. And for a moment you think, ok the actual kingdom of Ashanti wasn't founded until after the timeframe of the game so maybe it's ok to not call it that. But there is an Ashanti duchy, so back to being confused.
The kingdom of Nri also seems to be completely absent from the area, with the Igbo simply being lumped into some Igboland duchy which is part of a bizarrely named Igbo-Benue kingdom. And that's a big lost because Nri is one of the few place for which we have a list of rulers from the 10th century to the end date. It would also be a kingdom level theocracy which would make it the only one in the entire map outside the Papal States.
There is also a kingdom of Toro in Ivory Coast, and that’s a real place… in Uganda. There is also a Toro language, but it’s super tinny and it’s only spoken in Nigeria. And there is a Fouta-Toro, but that one was from Senegal. I really don’t know where they got this one from.
It's a bit sad that they are sticking to the Kanem-Bornu denomination, calling it the Kanem-Bornu Empire is a bit like calling the one up north the Roman-Byzantine Empire.
I probably will make some post with all the nitpicking I have for the map and religions names.
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I will be expecting it eagerly. I don't know enough about Africa to judge if the game was accurate enough, and so I refrained from playing there. If I play as a culture I don't know, I expect to learn something.
On another note, I've been taking a look at the map of Spain, and I deeply regret some of the choices they seem to have taken with it. The provinces don't seem to be based on any real borders and many of the "names" chosen at the count level are way too reminiscent of modern provinces and don't carry the weight of many of the Medieval lordships and titles. Some seem to contradict the logic of their positioning. That's a shame.
The mountains in Iberia are also a bit bizarre. I understand the logic of the impassable terrain, sure, but does it have to be that huge?
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So what's everybodys feeling about the UI? I somehow can't get to a conclusion about it. I generally like my UI to bring a nice atmosphere to the game to fit with the historical setting. From that perspective I'm not sure about the slick, semi-transparant black borders. On the other hand the UI seems like it's next level from other PDS games with respect to utility, hovering over stuff, logical drop down menu's etc. Utility trumps atmosphere so I guess it look great but I can't shake the feeling I'm not sure about it.
Plus kudo's for the characters though. PDS nailing down generated 3D characters is great for a game like this and they look pretty good in front of the nicely drawn backgrounds.
Plus kudo's for the characters though. PDS nailing down generated 3D characters is great for a game like this and they look pretty good in front of the nicely drawn backgrounds.
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It seems very clear and functional.
There's a lot of pretty nice images. I believe these images fit best with a clear and simple UI frame. If the frame was heavily stylized, like in EU4, then I guess it would be too much to have so many images as well.
I dunno, not really an expert in design.
I'm certainly looking forwards to see more of your insights, for now I will only reply to one part, if you don't mind
Right now I'm not sure where exactly I found it, but I have it on my WIP map of regions of Western Sahel
I assume it might be unlucky pick for a region for which I myself would find it hard to get a name...
similar cases could be for Adiukru or Akan. As far as I know from previous work, it is often prefered to use various names for various levels of regions... and let's be honest, all these kingdoms as well as many other throughout the map emerged only later and could be used for variety of reasons...
and although they might look weird, I deffinitly don't consider them wrong in any way.
As far as my own research goes, this Toro might be an alternative spelling of Toron - a region/chieftaincy just south of Kankan, just south of Manding. I remember seing it there and wondering whather it is misplaced Futa Toro or not...
Right now I'm not sure where exactly I found it, but I have it on my WIP map of regions of Western Sahel
I assume it might be unlucky pick for a region for which I myself would find it hard to get a name...
similar cases could be for Adiukru or Akan. As far as I know from previous work, it is often prefered to use various names for various levels of regions... and let's be honest, all these kingdoms as well as many other throughout the map emerged only later and could be used for variety of reasons...
and although they might look weird, I deffinitly don't consider them wrong in any way.
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I hope that means they do something more... "biblical" with censorship, like stick fig leaves over their groin/chest, rather than just turning clothes back on or blurring it out like Sims lol.
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Groins will always have leaves infront of it. (Stated in a recent post on Reddit) and you will be able to disable chest in the options.
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I'd have thought almost anything else. I don't know whose idea it was to name a chunk of Kievan Rus' after a 17th century Cossack tribe but it's not a very good one.
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Yes, I think I can agree. But you can't name a kingdom 'Almost anything else'. You need a name to call it, or come with a better design choice (other division of the entire area etc.). That's why I asked for actual alternatives so they can be discussed, because, honestly, only when you see the real alternatives, you can see how good or bad the real name is, and whether the alternatives, that magical "anything" really are better or not.
I mean, the alternatives suggested above are mostly names from Antiquity (Pontic-Caspian steppe, Scythia, Sarmatia, Taurica), which arent some 200 years away from CK era, but a whole millenium. Or there were names of similar quality to Zaporozhia (naming it after Crimean Khanate, which is from the same time period as Zaporozhia).
It's easy to say: "That's wrong solution", but only when you have an actual alternative, you can consider replacing the wrong thing. So now since we know that "Almost anything" is better, could you please be more concrete and tell us, how should that "almost anything" look like? Some actual name, or names? I would guess the devs themselves aren't very happy about naming it after 16th century entity, so I guess they will appreciate if you could show them something better. You know... anything.
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Any of the names from antiquity you refer to are better, because they have actually existed within the context of the game.
I wouldn't want Zaporozhia as a de jure name any more than I'd want Poland-Lithuania or the Dutch Republic.
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Well. I, on the other hand don't think that a thousand years old name is better than one known just a little later.
But I guess, since almost anything is better, I suppose you have hand full of more appropriate names than some thousand years old, don't you? Something what would fit the era well. Heh?
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Its not really a lust mechanic. This is what happens when your stress rises too high. Your reactions and ways to relieve stress are determined by your traits.
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The entire medieval world was rooted in claiming descent from antiquity, as that was to a large extent what medieval rulers aspired to be compared to. I find it strange that you are so defensive over a name that is so obviously anachronistic - did you pick the name or something?
Look at the number of ancient realms the map refers to; one more for the area in question wouldn't hurt, would it?
If you want alternatives, Khortytsia (named for the largest island on the Dnieper, and a name known from the time) would be better. I'd even prefer Ukraine to Zaporizhia, as at least it would be slightly more generic for a de jure area.
Zaporizhia is terrible for this era; it's like having the Byzantine Empire start off as named the Ottoman Empire, because of the Turkish tribe that conquered it a few centuries later.
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