New bigger resolution for the GUI not wanted?

[steveh11]

Hi Chromos: Given my eyesight, any larger screen I use will still be at 1024*768 just so I get the larger text and buttons... ;-)

 

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is this compatible with FTM?

 

[Chromos]

is this compatible with FTM?

Not yet, I'm on it..
More news later..

Kind regards,
Chromos

 

[Chromos]

Hi,
some answers.

I can't understand why Paradox have still not made scaleable UI, I don't think it would be that hard; just make graphics for bigger/biggest resolution, and then program the game to scale interfaces to smaller resolutions. Of course they would have to check all resolutions that fonts and buttons are not too big or small.

What annoys me most in Paradox UIs is that all graphs are too small, like the triangle in HOI3 diplomacy screen, and piecharts in statistics.

Hi Jarpie,

I think Modo and Jazumir gave already good answers. It was not in the initial design. And changes after that are allways "harder" to implement.
Also, ltes see what will be the outcome of this thread. As you could read in the OP, only 1 out of 8 choose the bigger screens so far.. Why? Thats the intial reason for this thread.

I almost couldn't find it because of the name.. "AHOI-Treasure-GEM-GUI".
That's not a very informative title unless you know exactly what you're looking for. Maybe that's why it's not used? People don't know it exists?

Now that I know it exists I'll definitely grab it.. as soon as there's a FtM compatible version. Thanks for your work, Chromos. The UI looks really nice.

Hi Surray,

I changed the name to "[Widescreen-GUI-MOD]-AHOI-Treasure-GEM-widescreen-gui-for-Std-HOI3-FTM"..
Still pretty long but with the important infos in front. Better that way?
It is also available already now..

wow this is impressive work!

Hi podcat,

and good to read that you like it. I also wrote an e-mail in late march to the office but noone replied so far.. Maybe I'll send a reminder again..

You should make one for ICE and DI:G too.

It's really annoying to have a small postcard sized panel in the middle of the screen when there's tons of room around.

Hi vgo,

that should be no big problem as I did one for HPP not long ago. But interstingly only one replied to that so far.. Thats one of the reasons I wondered and started this thread.

I'm impressed with your work! I use 1920x1080, and would like a higher GUI resolution.
The reason I do not use your work is that it is a mod.
You have now gotten the attention of the devs. It would be nice if something like this would be a part of the core game.

Hi WarDog,

If you do use these resoulution everyday, than you could install this Mod without much risk. Just make a backup of the HOI3 fodler and use the mod with this copy.->No risk for your original installation. Thats the way I do it too.

Hi Chromos: Given my eyesight, any larger screen I use will still be at 1024*768 just so I get the larger text and buttons... ;-)

Hi steveh11,

Didn't thought of that..
But maybe it works with just one step higher resolution? You get a better overview..

is this compatible with FTM?

Hi russ555,

yes it is now compatible with FTM..

Check out this link: Widescreen-GUI-MOD-AHOI-Treasure-GEM-widescreen-gui-for-Std-HOI3-FTM
Or follow my signature..



And again..

Would be nice to have also some answers from the others to my question of post 9.
New-bigger-resolution-for-the-GUI-not-wanted post 9


And of course what others thing in gerneral about this topic in regard to the OP.

Kind regards,
Chromos

 

[Chromos]

Hi
as the first "FTM release storm" calmed down a bit, here is little summarization.

So far we have this reasons to not use a higher resolution gui:
(Answers not only from here, but also from some german boards.)

1) Bad eyesight, use everytime 1024*786 even with the biggest monitor.
2) Not an official content1, could harm psychological health due to?
3) Not official content2, use only official releases. (Because of what?)
4) "Not official content3", how should I install this? "Because of low computer skills, afraid of damaging the installation because it's a mod."
5) Not aware of such a possibility("Bad naming" of the Mod in the past).
6) High resolutions makes handling hard. To press small buttons, zoom in and out buttons etc..(<- Mousewheel can do that to!)
7) Play generally all P. games in 1024*786.
8) Afraid of slower game experience, as ist was reported to run slower on higher resolutions.
9) Have older hardware that can't run higher resolutions as 1024*786.


Would love to hear more. As it could help me to make it better.


And it would be nice to have also some answers from the others to my question of post 9 and post 24 above.
New-bigger-resolution-for-the-GUI-not-wanted post 9



And still, of course also what others thing in gerneral about this topic in regard to the OP.

Best regards,
Chromos

 

[Jazumir]

It´s 6) mostly for me, with the important addition, that fonts get really small. I got a 22" sceeen and run the game at 1280x800 - which is fine. But on 1680x1050 (highest res for the screen), i get issues reading the numbers correctly - and reading numbers is my job, as i am a freaking meter-reader!

As far as the controls being avaiable on each tab-screen in HoI3, i dont have any specific desires to what could be altered. I feel like i can access everything with reasonable ease... not trying to discourage you, but you asked... I just rather have readable fonts, than longer lists.

 

[Board_Marshal]

Second time I've read this post and I've yet to download it so I guess my answer is just pure laziness since I'd like to scroll less and I'm all about time savings for the micro-managing (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?545518-Unit-detail-in-the-build-query-in-the-production-menu. I just started a SF HPP game yesterday; I'll download this GUI today and see if I can get it to work; I'll post comments if I get it up and running.

The Marshal

Edit:
-WOW! Very impressive. I have an Acer 22.5" (viewable) monitor (H: 11.75" x W:18.5" viewable, a little more boxy than some), play at 1680 x 1050, and sit approximately 2.5 feet away from the screen (I actually measured, lol), and I also wear glasses. I see a subtle decrease in the font size but frankly it doesn't impact being able to read it. The item boxes that need to be clicked are sufficiently large, larger than many tabs in programs like browsers, word, and excel which most people use fairly often. I think this GUI is great and don't plan to go back to anything else. You're a good man (woman?) Chromos.
-I really like the color changes to the HQ's "XXX's"
-I also have a dell 21.5" (viewable) (H:10.5" x W:18" viewable) which is more rectangular than my Acer; I'll have to check it out on that screen later since I've noticed differences with other programs on that monitor in the past.

The Marshal

 

[Garmorn]

I just installed this and it got rid of the horrible repeating sound bug.

Looks good.

Edit: Looks good but that repeating sound bug is back. I wonder why it did not appear the first time I used the GUI?

 

[Board_Marshal]

"I did also a version for Std-HOI3 and one for the HPP-Mod but the feedback and usage(donwloads) is nearly zero."

I have it up and running with SF 2.04f but I don't see an option to download it for the HPP-Mod? Anybody know the link?

The Marshal

 

[steveh11]

I'll add to my original post: I wouldn't download this anyway - it seems like it's just asking for trouble. FTM has far too many serious problems (latest being the 'puppet' one) to potentially add confusion to the reports by using a major modification like this.

Maybe, just maybe, one day when FTM has 'matured'.

Besides, I think the 'official' interface works fine. While I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it seems to me you're doing a great job of fixing what isn't broken!

 

[208]

I don't use a mod like this because I don't have a problem with the GUI as it is, though I use a larger resolution (I run windowed at around 1700x1000.) Even if the management screens do not scale up, I have never found myself wishing they were larger or that they showed more - they do their jobs well enough as-is, for me.

 

[Cpt Crash]

I will give this a shot when its available for FtM. I currently play the game in 1680x 1050 which is scaled down (larger) than my native resolution. I do this only because some of the GUI is difficult to read-especially the items in red. If this enables me to use the native resolution-that would be great. I do use the mods much more than vanilla though; August Storm, HPP and ICE.

I will try this out-thanks for your work.

 

[Dieselboater]

I almost couldn't find it because of the name.. "AHOI-Treasure-GEM-GUI".
That's not a very informative title unless you know exactly what you're looking for. Maybe that's why it's not used? People don't know it exists?

Now that I know it exists I'll definitely grab it.. as soon as there's a FtM compatible version. Thanks for your work, Chromos. The UI looks really nice.

Same here! [[bump]] and same result - I will try with HPP immediately, and will look for it ASAP for FtM and also for DIG...

Thanks!

 

[Chromos]

Whow!
Much feedback. Thanks! Some answers.

It´s 6) mostly for me, with the important addition, that fonts get really small. I got a 22" sceeen and run the game at 1280x800 - which is fine. But on 1680x1050 (highest res for the screen), i get issues reading the numbers correctly - and reading numbers is my job, as i am a freaking meter-reader!

As far as the controls being avaiable on each tab-screen in HoI3, i dont have any specific desires to what could be altered. I feel like i can access everything with reasonable ease... not trying to discourage you, but you asked... I just rather have readable fonts, than longer lists.

Hi Jazumir,
It is not discouraging. No feedback is discouraging..
If I understand you right you would go for a higher res if you had also big enough text to be seen on even 1680*1050.
IIRC also Devildread wrote something like this. As he plays it also in lower res because it is hard to see above 1600*1080.
Well, I'll see what I can do..

Second time I've read this post and I've yet to download it so I guess my answer is just pure laziness since I'd like to scroll less and I'm all about time savings for the micro-managing (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?545518-Unit-detail-in-the-build-query-in-the-production-menu. I just started a SF HPP game yesterday; I'll download this GUI today and see if I can get it to work; I'll post comments if I get it up and running.

The Marshal

Edit:
-WOW! Very impressive. I have an Acer 22.5" (viewable) monitor (H: 11.75" x W:18.5" viewable, a little more boxy than some), play at 1680 x 1050, and sit approximately 2.5 feet away from the screen (I actually measured, lol), and I also wear glasses. I see a subtle decrease in the font size but frankly it doesn't impact being able to read it. The item boxes that need to be clicked are sufficiently large, larger than many tabs in programs like browsers, word, and excel which most people use fairly often. I think this GUI is great and don't plan to go back to anything else. You're a good man (woman?) Chromos.
-I really like the color changes to the HQ's "XXX's"
-I also have a dell 21.5" (viewable) (H:10.5" x W:18" viewable) which is more rectangular than my Acer; I'll have to check it out on that screen later since I've noticed differences with other programs on that monitor in the past.

The Marshal

"I did also a version for Std-HOI3 and one for the HPP-Mod but the feedback and usage(donwloads) is nearly zero."

I have it up and running with SF 2.04f but I don't see an option to download it for the HPP-Mod? Anybody know the link?

The Marshal

Hi Marshall,
and nice feedback! Thx. I barely can't go back to a lower res. I'm so accustomed to it already..
Please let me now if there are any news.
The HPP link can be found in the second link in my sig, as I list there all of my mods.

I just installed this and it got rid of the horrible repeating sound bug.

Looks good.

Edit: Looks good but that repeating sound bug is back. I wonder why it did not appear the first time I used the GUI?

Hi Garmorn,
what for a sound bug do you have? Have you reported it already in the bug section(If ou have it also without mods..)?

I don't use a mod like this because I don't have a problem with the GUI as it is, though I use a larger resolution (I run windowed at around 1700x1000.) Even if the management screens do not scale up, I have never found myself wishing they were larger or that they showed more - they do their jobs well enough as-is, for me.

Hi 208,
thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I will give this a shot when its available for FtM. I currently play the game in 1680x 1050 which is scaled down (larger) than my native resolution. I do this only because some of the GUI is difficult to read-especially the items in red. If this enables me to use the native resolution-that would be great. I do use the mods much more than vanilla though; August Storm, HPP and ICE.

I will try this out-thanks for your work.

Hi Cpt Crash,
it is already out for FTM. See my signatire for direkt link to it.
I think you are then maybe in the same line with Jazumir.
Please, let me know how it worked out for you. What is your native resoultion?

Same here! [[bump]] and same result - I will try with HPP immediately, and will look for it ASAP for FtM and also for DIG...

Thanks!

Hi Dieselboater,
same as to Cpt Crash, just check my Siganture and let me know how do you like it.
The HPP link can be found in the second link in my sig, as I list there all of my mods.



Thanks to all for feedback so far. I still hope I get some more. Either way if you like, or dislike it!



Ah, and still..

Would be nice to have also some answers from the others to my question of post 9.
New-bigger-resolution-for-the-GUI-not-wanted post 9




Best regards,
Chromos

 

[Garmorn]

Hi Garmon,
do you write here from the official interface changes? Or are you writing from changes in Mods? And then the GUI-Mod for the Mod has to be changed again?

Some of both. Early on and specially with HOI2 mods there where constant changes on what was displayed. I download this one because lot of that has stopped and the GUI modelers have gotten better at keeping up with the changes.

Whow!
Much feedback. Thanks! Some answers.



Hi Jazumir,
It is not discouraging. No feedback is discouraging..
If I understand you right you would go for a higher res if you had also big enough text to be seen on even 1680*1050.
IIRC also Devildread wrote something like this. As he plays it also in lower res because it is hard to see above 1600*1080.
Well, I'll see what I can do..

I agree with this as it is a part of my problem (but at even lower res.) , specially to my 50 year old eyes. My native resolution is 1920x1080.

Would be nice to have also some answers from the others to my question of post 9.

Best regards,
Chromos

The sound bug is minor but irritating FTM bug that causes some buttons to constantly play their sound as long as the mouse is over the button. And yes is has been reported.

Thanks for the mod by the way. I sorry it took so long to respond but had family time this week end.

 

[Cpt Crash]

Hi Chromos

I installed the basic FtM GUI mod. It is really, really very nice. It does not seem much larger, but it is very much more clear and sharp. I am still using 1680x1050, but will now take it to 1920xwhatever native resolution.
One area in the techs practical tabs, the standard game along with some mods, would flip flop the practicals for light aircraft and transport. That is not happening in your mod-more precise response from the interface.
It is also very good that it does not change the checksum. I would like to put this into August Storm-it could be the secret weapon I need to destroy a crazy human Empire of Japan player. I noticed you already have it for HPP-any plans for August Storm?

BTW-Media Fire worked much more easily than the other two download sights. It was straight-gave me what I wanted without the sales pitches.

Anyway-you did a fantastic job with this. This is a bigger improvement than some costly expansions. I will checkout the expanded mod soon.
So, I won't have to resort to eye glasses for game playing. Thanks.

 

[Chromos]

Some of both. Early on and specially with HOI2 mods there where constant changes on what was displayed. I download this one because lot of that has stopped and the GUI modelers have gotten better at keeping up with the changes.



I agree with this as it is a part of my problem (but at even lower res.) , specially to my 50 year old eyes. My native resolution is 1920x1080.

The sound bug is minor but irritating FTM bug that causes some buttons to constantly play their sound as long as the mouse is over the button. And yes is has been reported.

Thanks for the mod by the way. I sorry it took so long to respond but had family time this week end.

Hi Garmorn,
I thing there will be not many changes on the gui I have to take care of.
Some maybe, but that are mostly quick to integrate.

So you would also like to have a "scaling" GUi..

And no problem with your RL. It is far more important than a game.

Hi Chromos

I installed the basic FtM GUI mod. It is really, really very nice. It does not seem much larger, but it is very much more clear and sharp. I am still using 1680x1050, but will now take it to 1920xwhatever native resolution.
One area in the techs practical tabs, the standard game along with some mods, would flip flop the practicals for light aircraft and transport. That is not happening in your mod-more precise response from the interface.
It is also very good that it does not change the checksum. I would like to put this into August Storm-it could be the secret weapon I need to destroy a crazy human Empire of Japan player. I noticed you already have it for HPP-any plans for August Storm?

BTW-Media Fire worked much more easily than the other two download sights. It was straight-gave me what I wanted without the sales pitches.

Anyway-you did a fantastic job with this. This is a bigger improvement than some costly expansions. I will checkout the expanded mod soon.
So, I won't have to resort to eye glasses for game playing. Thanks.

Hi Cpt Crash,

How is it with 1920*1050 then?

I'll do an adaption for AS if I find the time. Just did HPP because I needed a "break" from tech-modding.. :wacko:
In the Moment I'm quite busy with other Modding like the extended timeframe of my own Mod(ww1) again.


And yes, MediaFire is the easiest to use atm. But that could change. As it does normally from time to time.. I think the "worst" of the 3 available is FF atm, but I have also seen worse..

And it is allways nice to read that someone likes it!




I still would like to read more input, either way if you like, or dislike it!




Best regards,
Chromos

 

[Chromos]

Hi Cpt Crash,

How is it with 1920*1050 then?

I guess I found the answer in another AS thread..

That would be great if you can add your mod for AS. Your interface changes are an astounding improvement for the game for me. In the techs area for instance I tend to have 30 or so in the quay. With your 21 viewable lines (VS 7 in vanilla) the task of prioritizing is far easier. It's not just 3 times easier with triple the info, it works out to more like 10 times easier. It is simply a pleasure to use.

But still, ist there anything else beyond the list below why you wouldn't use a higher resolution GUI/interface -Mod?

1) Bad eyesight, use everytime 1024*786 even with the biggest monitor.
2) Not an official content1, could harm psychological health due to?
3) Not official content2, use only official releases. (Because of what?)
4) "Not official content3", how should I install this? "Because of low computer skills, afraid of damaging the installation because it's a mod."
5) Not aware of such a possibility("Bad naming" of the Mod in the past).
6) High resolutions makes handling hard. To press small buttons, zoom in and out buttons etc..(<- Mousewheel can do that to!)
7) Play generally all P. games in 1024*786.
8) Afraid of slower game experience, as ist was reported to run slower on higher resolutions.
9) Have older hardware that can't run higher resolutions as 1024*786.
10) I'm just fine with how it is in std-HOI3


Would love to hear more. As it could help me to make it better..

Best regards,
Chromos

 

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I guess some people don't use mods for the simple fact that they aren't official.

 

[Chromos]

I guess some people don't use mods for the simple fact that they aren't official.

Hi geezafrombrum,
so something like a signet "Designed for HOI3" would maybe help?

Best regards,
Chromos