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The rules should be amened as this is how our rules have always been. Another oversite since your brought in Hiesens rules which are inferior to ours in most respects or though similar.

You're just a brainless boy that spend your time talkig to yourself in the reply box than reading what people says or post. In my rules nothing mention that italy can join after april 40, vichy or whatever. It says it can join right after ethiopy is anexed... so go back in your hugbox please and give us a break.
Furthermore you critisize the thing that other player bring different or/and new ideas(ie the 1.2 ruleset) coming from other groups experiences, this show how closeminded you are. There you show yourself helpless with such comment.

 

[mike8472]

Mike,

Im tellin ya, as worded, thats not what it says, plain as day, if thats what the group wants it needs changin.

Then its an over sight thats needs to be corrected.

We have never played italy can only join the war after vinchy event.

 

[mike8472]

You're just a brainless boy that spend your time talkig to yourself in the reply box than reading what people says or post. In my rules nothing mention that italy can join after april 40, vichy or whatever. It says it can join right after ethiopy is anexed... so go back in your hugbox please and give us a break.
Furthermore you critisize the thing that other player bring different or/and new ideas(ie the 1.2 ruleset) coming from other groups experiences, this show how closeminded you are. There you show yourself helpless with such comment.

What im getting too is ever since your rules were posted there has been great confussion and many mistakes made leading to the cancelation of one of your games.

I dont mind rules changed that benifit the game, however the rule me and rastius are discussing is wrongly worded, since yous discussed the rules a few weeks back after your debarcle of game using two different rule sets.

The god dam problem is im not there to organise and enforce the correct rule set on you noobs, like I normaly am. None of this shit would have happened had i been there. No one steeped into the void to properly organise games or rules prior to commencing them.

I guess that whats happens when the person who created the aussie group way back in hoi days isnt there to organise this group.

The way the italian war entry is ment to be is this.

Italy can join the Axis after paris falls but not prior to April 1940.

So on april 1st 1940 Italy may join the axis.

Oh and I was correct, our rules are superior, allowing Italy to join the Axis after ethopia is finished unbalances the game, and gives axis to much of an advanatage.

 

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Except that the big advantage for Italy when joining early is the BP's, and in rules sets that allow it, abandoning Doctrines and so forth, so that Italy can go Blitzkreig. However, since Hiensen's rules prohibit abandon doctrine its not really such a big deal. That said the rules set I use prohibit Italy from Joining until after Albania.

This is because I think it is important for Italy to act as a silent threat in Africa, and in Southern France. It should be able to pounce if the Allies leave themselves open in some key areas, so that the Allies will not be able to act as if Italy is not a potential threat. On the other hand, and early entry after war starts could be disasterous for Axis, especially if Italy has not been buffed by German BP's and so on. But the potential should be there. Not allowing Italy to DOW early means the Allies get a free ride in the mediteranean, up until after Paris.

Also, if Germany is in trouble for some reason or another, then opening up a second front can break the deadlock. So for me, I say Albania.

For me the really great thing about the Aussie rules is the USA war entry date system. That is one of the most useful additions to HOI rules, I have seen.

 

[mike8472]

Except that the big advantage for Italy when joining early is the BP's, and in rules sets that allow it, abandoning Doctrines and so forth, so that Italy can go Blitzkreig. However, since Hiensen's rules prohibit abandon doctrine its not really such a big deal. That said the rules set I use prohibit Italy from Joining until after Albania.

This is because I think it is important for Italy to act as a silent threat in Africa, and in Southern France. It should be able to pounce if the Allies leave themselves open in some key areas, so that the Allies will not be able to act as if Italy is not a potential threat. On the other hand, and early entry after war starts could be disasterous for Axis, especially if Italy has not been buffed by German BP's and so on. But the potential should be there. Not allowing Italy to DOW early means the Allies get a free ride in the mediteranean, up until after Paris.

Also, if Germany is in trouble for some reason or another, then opening up a second front can break the deadlock. So for me, I say Albania.

For me the really great thing about the Aussie rules is the USA war entry date system. That is one of the most useful additions to HOI rules, I have seen.

It is a common problem with the war entry dates or requirements we have and I have advocated for making them alot less restrictive.

As like you say the allies know when to defend africa/egpyt, they know exactly when to mass there forces, how long they can keep them in france or the UK until needed in africa, which should not be the case.

It is the same with Japan and USSR not allowd to war until 1943. USSR free to mass there forces against the Germans.

Ofcourse the counter the allies do is the NAP with USSR allows Germany to mass forces against allies, but that is exactly what happened in WWII. Majority of German forces were used against allies.

It is something that certainly needs to be looked at. All games now result in UK deploying everything into France in 1939, when they should have substantial forces in Africa, middle east and Asia to counter both the Italian and Japanese threats.

If I play Japan next game I will certainly look at going to war in 1940 or even earlier to really hurt the allies, if they do not protect them selves, even better if the US is pumping IC and not units, they will be caught napping.

Italian war entry needs to be more open to keep allies guessing, and same with the USSR and Japan. Japan should be allowd to go to war aginast the USSR if they want too.

 

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If I play Japan next game I will certainly look at going to war in 1940 or even earlier to really hurt the allies, if they do not protect them selves, even better if the US is pumping IC and not units, they will be caught napping.

Except that our glorious rules prohibit japs dowing prior to 41.

What we need is a simple no rules game. 1 rule maybe. No Exploits.

Ive been saying this for years.

 

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Except that our glorious rules prohibit japs dowing prior to 41.

What we need is a simple no rules game. 1 rule maybe. No Exploits.

Ive been saying this for years.

yeh but we know what happens. Our rules are for semi historical game.

Everytime we try a game with no rules someone tries some dodgy stuff.

I am happy to play a no rules game, ally anyone etc etc. Will all end in tears however.

 

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It is a common problem with the war entry dates or requirements we have and I have advocated for making them alot less restrictive.

As like you say the allies know when to defend africa/egpyt, they know exactly when to mass there forces, how long they can keep them in france or the UK until needed in africa, which should not be the case.

It is the same with Japan and USSR not allowd to war until 1943. USSR free to mass there forces against the Germans.

Ofcourse the counter the allies do is the NAP with USSR allows Germany to mass forces against allies, but that is exactly what happened in WWII. Majority of German forces were used against allies.

It is something that certainly needs to be looked at. All games now result in UK deploying everything into France in 1939, when they should have substantial forces in Africa, middle east and Asia to counter both the Italian and Japanese threats.

If I play Japan next game I will certainly look at going to war in 1940 or even earlier to really hurt the allies, if they do not protect them selves, even better if the US is pumping IC and not units, they will be caught napping.

Italian war entry needs to be more open to keep allies guessing, and same with the USSR and Japan. Japan should be allowd to go to war aginast the USSR if they want too.

Spoken like a true Axis player. Wants the UK to be raped by Italy, Germany and Japan all in 1940 when they have barely enough to defend 1 location. UK can never have substanstial forces anywhere becasue along comes Axis armour blob and crushes everything in its path. Try spreading 100 divisions between UK, Africa, France and Asia. How can UK defend against that?

What you want is to spread the UK so thin and wipe them out. Just like when you exploit and have Germany Navy in the Med pre war. Germany should have to garrision the Russian border but they dont. All you arguments are biased in one direction. Only reason you ever have trouble as Germany is when you build too many ships and too much airpower.

The war entry dates are for a semi histroical game. Why not have a game and have everyone decalre war on Axis in 1939. That will solve any problems and back dooring which I am sure you can specialise in.

 

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No Moron

Uk Infantry is easy to crack.U will learn that through the games.Concerning italian entry I asked my partners first, there was little confusion obviously with this ruleset.U coming back with it, the one that have to apologize here is you for playing UK after only 2 games.The one that have his ego out of control here is you thinking that after 2 games u know game mechanics and tactics better than everyone.

NO MORON NO

MUNSTER who is without question MR Italia Excellence has no doubt himself nor does mike. Look its this fuckin simple you admit you and mighty got it wrong and you swallow the humble pie. its as cut and dried as any future dispute is ever lilely to be which is why if you cant accept it you should be banned for life.

 

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Our rules have always had Italy can join the war after Paris has fallen? not the vinchy evnet or after April 1st 1940.

Meaning there are two options to join the war.

1. Either Paris falls or the vinchy even event dost really matter.

2. The time restriction of April 1940.

This is so Italy cannot join the war if vinchy happens in 1939 and gang bang the UK or France. But it also allows Italy to join the war if Germany gets stalemated in France long then April 1940.

The rules should be amened as this is how our rules have always been. Another oversite since your brought in Hiesens rules which are inferior to ours in most respects or though similar.

munster has already called bullshit on that mike

 

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NO MORON NO

MUNSTER who is without question MR Italia Excellence has no doubt himself nor does mike. Look its this fuckin simple you admit you and mighty got it wrong and you swallow the humble pie. its as cut and dried as any future dispute is ever lilely to be which is why if you cant accept it you should be banned for life.

:rofl: Here's my new master please teach me how to play you expert. What a coon..I haven't even started war with ya already u run your mouth as if you won the game, I'm afraid for you.

 

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Nutjob Expose Nutjob Expose

Uk Infantry is easy to crack.U will learn that through the games.Concerning italian entry I asked my partners first, there was little confusion obviously with this ruleset.U coming back with it, the one that have to apologize here is you for playing UK after only 2 games.The one that have his ego out of control here is you thinking that after 2 games u know game mechanics and tactics better than everyone.

NUTJOB HEINSEN EXPOSE NUTJOB HEINSEN EXPOSE

Hey nutjob they were level 4 armoured serial 3 you ignored. Go get medical help please.

NUTJOB HEINSEN NUTJOB HEINSEN

 

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NUTJOB HEINSEN EXPOSE NUTJOB HEINSEN EXPOSE

Hey nutjob they were level 4 armoured serial 3 you ignored. Go get medical help please.

NUTJOB HEINSEN NUTJOB HEINSEN

You ran your mouth about having shitloads of infantry, how am I supposed to know u built armors ? checking save ? no thanks I'm not like you if that's what u mean.
EDIT : you looks like drunk, go get some sleep.Quoting two times the same thing I said in two different posts looks like you're the one that need medical help. o

 

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You ran your mouth about having shitloads of infantry, how am I supposed to know u built armors ? checking save ? no thanks I'm not like you if that's what u mean.
EDIT : you looks like drunk, go get some sleep.

I question your whole position here given you are not welcome other places.

your behaviour so far is dubious and agressive constantly i think you are a nasty peice of work

You will soon leave i will wait for you to go

yopu are the worst UK player ever much worse than gunny

you are stupid and ugly

 

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well said astonished, you're wrong on each line you drunk boy wrote.You talk so tall for a sp player you're scaring really. :rofl:

I question your whole position here given you are not welcome other places.

I lol'd reading that, you're ignorant that's all, like someone else you make quick opinions without real infos.I'm not welcome in other places ? Then I wonder why I'm commited In 6 another games with different groups if I'm not welcome in other places..
In this group me and mike are teasing each other but I believe there's nothing serious, it's a habit here for what I got when I joined.I have good relations with all other players and vgood ones with mg and se whose I know for a very long time, you've no right to talk for the group you the sp player.

your behaviour so far is dubious and agressive constantly i think you are a nasty peice of work

When I meet retards like you ofc I can't retain the impulsion of being agressive.

yopu are the worst UK player ever much worse than gunny

So far I haven't lost with UK in vanilla so I don't think you're right my legless dwarf.And your mp experience is so short that u can't really give an opinion your comment is irrelevant.

you are stupid and ugly

That's an opinion and absolutly not an argument, you looks like running out of ideas to argue and start insulting instead like a kid caught the hands in a pot of jam.

You ran your mouth about having shitloads of infantry, how am I supposed to know u built armors ? checking save ? no thanks I'm not like you if that's what u mean.
EDIT : you looks like drunk, go get some sleep.Quoting two times the same thing I said in two different posts looks like you're the one that need medical help.

You didn't argued about this and started insulting me instead so I suppose I am right : 1-you check saves, 2- you're drunk, 3-you need medical help

 

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Poor Tonic must be drunk and in need of having his beef curtains parted.

Look its this fuckin simple you admit you and mighty got it wrong and you swallow the humble pie.

Admit we were wrong for what exactly? joinig my alliance 28 days before the designed date. Well sorry tonic i dont play games to my enemies timetables, your ranting is somewhat childish. You bitch and moan alot for an adult.... are you british or just Bi-polar?

 

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"British or just bi-polar"...

 

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man....there is just somethin about the aussie group!......i cant wait till my winter layoff so i can join the fun! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

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man....there is just somethin about the aussie group!......i cant wait till my winter layoff so i can join the fun! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Lots of fun indeed, not in game but off in forum.lol
I also get why mods have never locked those discussions while ppl are sharing insults for the sake of the aussie bitching.

 

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NO MORON NO

MUNSTER who is without question MR Italia Excellence has no doubt himself nor does mike. Look its this fuckin simple you admit you and mighty got it wrong and you swallow the humble pie. its as cut and dried as any future dispute is ever lilely to be which is why if you cant accept it you should be banned for life.

We have all played Italy. This is really about deciding which unreality you choose, not a game breaking balance issue. Both are fine, as long as Italy is not allowed to Blitz Doctrine. Hiensens system counteracts Allied strength in France by giving Italy a tech buff, and preventing the Allies from "predicting", while the Aussie system uses a different path to the same end, by limiting the number of CW troops that can be deployed in Europe before war, or so it seems to me.

As I said, I play with Albania as the Italy join date, but I also lock most of the commonwealth armies in their home countries at start, so they can not be moved til war. So basically I combined the ideas.

Also, Hiensen's system is easy to explain to people, and this is a big advantage when introducing new players.