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major ball said:
hehe, it's fun indeed.He's got the biggest mouth and the smallest balls in this group so it's easy to make him run his mouth.As you can see we done a good job today with my english training and this overinflated child keep throwing in the floor the pudding I present to him just to annoy me.But overall it's fun.
Let's keep on the tease it's better than "tell me more" a famous program here to learn english.
Hiensen said:hehehe, "you turn will come", "you will", then blablabla, still chicken and still words and bullshit instead of coming on battlefield and see by yourself how simplistic my ideas are and how those forums rethorics means nothing once in battle. You don't imagine that I will reveal here in forum all my tactics as uk while playing as uk or you're real retard or just naïve. I like to toy with you and your rethorics that's so funny and then you call your rethorics superior to mines, but hell vanilla is duplo game my son and I faced more then one guy spreading great theories using his americaner language.It's just fun seeing how easy it's to smash them in despite of their superior theories when talking in msn or forum. :rofl:
I might show ya "one day" how useless navy is in vanilla.Navs and tacs rule the seas, not your worthless cruisers or even worse your BB's.
Oh no please dont scare me with your navs and tacs bombing ships, please for the love of god your the only person in the world to think of such a brillent strategy.
Oh brillent one enlighten us poor Aussies for we have never seen such tactics befor, please teach us oh mighty and powerful frogman.
Hahaha you make me laugh bring your navs and tacs, thats a newb tactic that is easily countered with right builds. Something we learnt to do along time ago in the aussie group, only new players get caught with that tactic.
Hehehe I've caught a big one here, hook line and sinker, you just dont learn.
Hiensen said:hehe, it's fun indeed.He's got the biggest mouth and the smallest balls in this group so it's easy to make him run his mouth.As you can see we done a good job today with my english training and this overinflated child keep throwing in the floor the pudding I present to him just to annoy me.But overall it's fun.
Let's keep on the tease it's better than "tell me more" a famous program here to learn english.
lol. All im doing is sitting back and having a good laugh at the crap you post. I got a bit bored of major, hes told old and slow now not much a challenge. Some one new to toy with.
Time will tell if your actions match your inflated ego. You are certainly the cockiest of all our new players.
Then again perhaps im just the person to close that big mouth of yours for good with a good shellacking. :rofl:
mike8472 said:
I think I missed something, it's hard for me to believe that you're still in hoi1 world, get off your pink cloud. Your stategy is old and is part of the past, cruizerg fleets have they weakness when it come to face proper organized royal navy and bombers umbrella.You're getting old you too my poor friend, and show me someone else than you the master that can run such a navy build and hammer my balls since you're always talking about the aussie group when hidden behind this fog you're only talking about you.
mike8472 said:
Don't forgive that you are the first that opened your mouth and never shut up, insulting the people all over there, you're not even in this game that you act as if you are, come on go make some friends irl instead of spending your time with a frenchman that can barelly match a decent eng vocabulary.And yeah I opened my big mouth because you've been the first scuming all around at any occasion, so the one that need to shut up for good is ya ! Just ask your teamates they will agree with me... :rofl:
I met so many guys like you, you're just an eng trainer for I, I can't take seriously your noobish strategies or yur insults since it's nothing but worthless wind.
You're Pathetic mike, you will be one of those that will keep insulting me all over the time and never have the balls to play a game, neither a fast 1vs1.You're big mouth, nothing else.
Hiensen said:I think I missed something, it's hard for me to believe that you're still in hoi1 world, get off your pink cloud. Your stategy is old and is part of the past, cruizerg fleets have they weakness when it come to face proper organized royal navy and bombers umbrella.You're getting old you too my poor friend, and show me someone else than you the master that can run such a navy build and hammer my balls since you're always talking about the aussie group when hidden behind this fog you're only talking about you.
Your the one stating the obvious about tacs and navs like no one has ever heard of it. Get real. Your about 3 years of the pace.
Who said anything about cruizerg fleets???? not me.
Glad you accepted im the master not that it matters much comming from you.
Just keep talking about how good your navs and tacs are. :rofl: Like no one else in the worlds knows about the danger of airpower and will be unprepared for it.
mike8472 said:
I dare say that you will never get airsup against a good UK, unless you cut on your land forces production or upgrades, then you're ridiculously weak when it's to face ussr. And if I get what you're scumming you go for something else than cruizerg fleets ?
I feel bad for you and your mates playing against such germany wasting years of IC days in ships that can be sink within few hours. huhmike8472 said:
So you admit I'm right, fleets are useless when it face heavy bombers stacks.Good to know.Go build a fleet ! I'll laugh seeing those floating toasts.
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mike really has little clue what he is talking about.
He does usually end up building a navy, only to be crushed by the USSR.
In most games anyway. Including the game against my USSR.
He does usually end up building a navy, only to be crushed by the USSR.
In most games anyway. Including the game against my USSR.
This is how I see our current game unfolding:
The UK will contest France. He will either bog me down indefinitely, forcing me to make some humiliating and embarassing plea for me to take over France.
Or, I will manage to rout his forces in France, emerging as victor.
Either way, the UK will retreat to his isles. There, he will amass an airforce greater than mine. He will amass armoured divisions.
I will turn my attention to the USSR. Promptly, the UK will proceed to rape me from behind, hurting my industry, and maybe even relanding in France, with total air superiority, and 100 armour.
With a good player as UK, there really is nothing much Germany can do, without sacrificing its Eastern Front.
The UK will contest France. He will either bog me down indefinitely, forcing me to make some humiliating and embarassing plea for me to take over France.
Or, I will manage to rout his forces in France, emerging as victor.
Either way, the UK will retreat to his isles. There, he will amass an airforce greater than mine. He will amass armoured divisions.
I will turn my attention to the USSR. Promptly, the UK will proceed to rape me from behind, hurting my industry, and maybe even relanding in France, with total air superiority, and 100 armour.
With a good player as UK, there really is nothing much Germany can do, without sacrificing its Eastern Front.
Nasr said:
I agree with you in most of the points, but 100 armours in fra is a bit exagerated because uk need to spare some in india and australia so 60-70 is a most exact number till usa join the war and there yeah, unless japan make a good show there will probaly be 100 hard units landing somewhere in europe.
@ I don't count african front because it's a suicide mission for axis or at best it will tie down a valuable amount of forces that could be used in east front.
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I probablly shouldn't have taken Germany in this game.
Not because I can't play it, but mainly because of what people will say when its all over.
"Oh we shouldn't have let the noob take Germany."
It's clear to me that the UK is going to pretty much ruin Germany's chances of putting on a good show.
The only way I'll be able to effectively take out Russia, is if the UK becomes passive on purpose, or if Italy is played extremely well and can lend a hand in the air.
As it is, with the current Italian player's strategy, I am fully sure that Germany will not have a useful ally. The problem with the Italian player, is that he does not fully appreciate the UKs production capacity, in the area of airforce and armoured units.
And also, he doesn't appreciate the complete uselessness of ships, as opposed to naval bombers and fighters.
Because I am sure you know heinsen, that a UK played well, combined with even an average Russian player (not that I'm saying mighty is average) is an almost sure defeat for Germany.
Not because I can't play it, but mainly because of what people will say when its all over.
"Oh we shouldn't have let the noob take Germany."
It's clear to me that the UK is going to pretty much ruin Germany's chances of putting on a good show.
The only way I'll be able to effectively take out Russia, is if the UK becomes passive on purpose, or if Italy is played extremely well and can lend a hand in the air.
As it is, with the current Italian player's strategy, I am fully sure that Germany will not have a useful ally. The problem with the Italian player, is that he does not fully appreciate the UKs production capacity, in the area of airforce and armoured units.
And also, he doesn't appreciate the complete uselessness of ships, as opposed to naval bombers and fighters.
Because I am sure you know heinsen, that a UK played well, combined with even an average Russian player (not that I'm saying mighty is average) is an almost sure defeat for Germany.
Nasr said:
No no I don't agree here, germany is always a good challenge, when facing good opponents in left and right you have nothing but a very exciting game.There are countless tricks to avoid the allies getting ashore that fast, I mean until u get a good amount of hard units to spare as reserves in france.
But for simple advice Don't make the mistake of putting your reserves behind beaches because once they loose dug in vs a proper airforce they will be bombed to death within few days and vanish.
I laughed in last game when I seen mike ridiculous defenses in france.I was also furious because this uk I took over had nothing but the starting bombers and very poor airforce in general.Had him moved his mechs behind beaches I would have imediatelly stopped the landing and bombed his mechs to death, in that game I did only 10 strenght damage or so to his mechs with this poor lonely bombers stack. :rofl:
Then it would have been a Piece of cake landing with marines in a beach guarded by 3 hungarians wtf.So don't make this noobish mistake, put your reserves in the beaches so they won't be a target for my bombers.Other tricks will be told after game.
Nasr said:
Don't worry that much because at least u have the balls to play germ, I know some other acting like chicken and doing nothing but critisize people in forum and say bullshit.In fact blablabla.
And I know germ is hard but fun to play.Just keep getting pleasure cuz after that u will see ppl that critisized you being humiliated the same way if not worse.And we will laugh together.
Nasr said:
You worry too much about what people say and seem to be worried before the war has started. Munster as Italy has played many a successful game with building ships. Aircarft are too expensive for Italy to build. If you have aircover for your ships its much better than a Naval Bomber strategy where you cannot fly you Naval bombers due to enemy fighters. Italy has to rely on aircover from Germany. Of cource UK has lots capability in building. What you need to do is counter his builds. If he builds naval bombers you build more fighters than him and they cant fly. German tanks are much better than UK tanks due to doctrines. Build more than he does. UK has gearing first 4 years Germany does not. Germany build capability is far superior to that of the UK. Just dont do any half ass attack with a portion of your forces.
You have a nice juicy NAP with Russians. Gives you until middle of 1941 to hurt the brits with everything you got. If your worried about his IC capability bomb the crap out of it with rockets and bombers.
It cost a hell of a lot to supply that many fighters and armour. You can guarantee a good portion of his IC will be used to pay for supplies as they will not be coming from me except via Lend Lease. You should have 3 times UK armour when yo ugo into France. Never know you may kill some.
I have played UK many times and can never guess what Germany is doing. If Hiensen knows what your doing he might not have to build ships, he may not have to build many planes. I always build a balance force because I do not know what is coming. If Germany builds planes and ships from 1936 for Sealion any UK player is going to have trouble holding them. Especially when they build IC.
If I decided to build a massive navy as UK you can be sure I guessed wrong and Germany hasnt built a Navy but many fighters and TACS. I dont think I have guessed right in any game I have played.
I am sure Hiesen in our next game while playing Germany will show how its done
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major ball said:I am sure Hiensen in our next game while playing Germany will show how its done
heh, let's play this one first don't offend Nasr, if he manage to put a good fight in france and don't throw his rockets I can give him possibility to go past 42, give fun to everyone and me to have some a good fight with my friend SE.
Either way if he go gay rocketing UK I can't promise that I'll let him have his airfields in europe at his disposition anymore.
It's entirely his choice, I don't really mind.
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Can you please explain to me how Italy building ships is better than an extra year of IC builds, followed by fighter and some other (armour, infantry, motorised infantry, mech) production?
Ships are totally useless to build, unless its carriers. All other ships are useless, except maybe as screens. Submarines are the only other really useful independant ships.
Impossible.
The UK simply outproduces Germany, in anything and everything. All it lacks is manpower.
It's production bonuses are -40% time and cost. Plus ministers, such as Armoured -5% and Fighters -5%, and assembly lines. You think Germany can compete?
No. Maybe if it spams industry 36-38, which I stupidly didn't do.
Germany's advantage is in manpower, and higher IC. The UK has all the other advantages.
It can cover the isles by 60-70 improved fighters by mid 1940. It can garrison every beach, and only needs 1-2 CV fleets to maintain its shores, backed by tactical bombers or naval bombers, which it can pump out for 9 IC every 70-80 days.
So what does Germany do? Split its airforce up to help Italy in the Med, hold off the UK over France/Germany, and compete against the USSR.
Yeah, good luck.
Now take note, I am pessimistic by nature.
But at the same time I am a realist.A good, smart, solid UK player, simply can't lose. The German player will need all his wits and more, and some major f-ups on the part of the UK, to get the upper hand and win.
Let's see.
Tanks
German tanks cost 15.8 IC x 141 days with full hawk lobby, Armoured -5% minister and Schwerpunkt + Blitzkrieg docs.
UK tanks cost 14.8 IC x 114 days, with full hawk lobby, full free market, and Armoured -5% minister.
Let's look at 5 serial builds for each, without taking account of gearing bonuses, over 365 days:
Germany = 28835 IC for ~ 13 tanks.
UK = 27010 IC for ~ 16 tanks.
Fighters
Germany, will full hawk lobby, -5% Fighters minister gets basic fighters 10.6 x 114 days.
UK will full hawk lobby, full free market, and -5% Fighters minister, gets basic fighters for 8.5 IC x 93.
5 serial builds, no gearing, over 365 days:
Germany = 19345 IC for ~ 16 fighters
UK = 15512.5 IC for ~ 20 fighters.
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Now, add gearing bonuses, and cheaper upgrade cost for UK (by about -40%), and it just gets much worse.
In my opinion, the only way for Germany to outbuild the UK, is to spam IC from 36-38, and even then, it will still be a struggle.
Its all in the doctrines.
Battles are not won on quantity. There won by catching your opponant with his tits hanging out.
Battles are not won on quantity. There won by catching your opponant with his tits hanging out.