*NEW* Aussie Group 36 Grand Campaign Game

[mike8472]

The last game I played against you, mikey, was in 2005-6.

You were Germany. Gezeder was Italy. Munster was Japan. And I was the USSR.

You invaded Russia in 41. Italy invaded the Caucasus at the same time. Japan invaded Siberia.

By Spring 42, you were reeling back into Poland, Strategically Redeploying your divisions along the way to stop them getting surrounded.

We cut the game short and started a new one.

Another game, saw me as Japan, you as Germany, and I think Major Ball as USSR.

Again, by 42, you were using my Japanese fighters and naval bombers to hold off the Allies who had invaded Germany-proper, and you were reeling in Russia, about to be defeated.

And my cheating was back in HOI1, 2003, many years ago, before I came back for HOI2.

So go ahead, call me a noob all you want, it doesn't change history

Your history appears to differ alot to mine. I believe you found cheating on a number occasions by various members of the group and hence why you were banned again. You runined your second chance and a number of our big games. I do recall you doing very well hence why some players on your own team checked the save and the rest is history.

Lets hope history dosnt repeat it self and you have matured some what since then.

 

[mike8472]

Some advocate IC spamming and others say not to waste time with it. It's an anyones arument its what you do with it that counts. To do either has its advantages and disadvantages.

From the many games I've played as Germany I have come to the conclussion that it is not worthwhile doing a huge IC buildup. This is what I base my experience on.

1. Germany has the ability to win the game or at least setup a wining position from 1939-1942. These are the crucial years for Germany. A huge IC build up from 1936-1938 will only start to be of postive benifit in IC terms from late 1941 onwards. Sure you will have a big IC base but you sacrificed 2 years military buildup for IC that dosnt pay for itself until to late for Germany.

2. Germany can have a massive land and air forces with the correct buidlup from 1936 to sept 1939. No combination of allied forces from France or UK & CW will ever stop this force with correct builds. This also forms the core of a massive 1941 barbarrossa invasion force.

3. Having such a massive army & airforce early allows you crush the UK if you want to, provided you can get across the channel. If the UK invested to much in tanks trying to defend france then there navy will be weaker and open to invasion with a small but powerful german fleet. Normaly when the UK invests more in tanks and the RAF as they must there is little to no investment in there navy which is mostly outdated and easily defeated by a modern german fleet.

4. Resources are no problem with a reduced IC. No need to waste supplies on trying to get critical resources pre-war or during the war. If you build a very large IC base and its a long game you will struggle to keep the economy going past 1944 if things are not going your way other wise the game would already be over.

5. The only real negative is TC load. However ive found this to not be much of a problem in Russia even with massive amounts of tanks. The penalities are not that sevre and only become a real problem once very deep inside Russia. For this to happen you must be giving the reds a hammering anyway.

So dont dispare Nasr doing a non IC build up is the best way to go in my opinion. IC buildup is over rated and risky and not needed.

 

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hehe, guess you're wrong here.From experience when it come to 42 german situation looks like to this :

- TC fucked
- not enough IC to reinforce and upgrade your troops fast
- too much IC spent in supplies so you can't build much more
- allies bombing campaign can make you loose a bunch of prod gearings due to the fact you don't have the spare IC to compensate
- not enough IC spare to build suplies and keep your troops supplied in east front unless u cut on production (off supply give +12.5% combat efficiency)

As for UK :

- it have the IC to spare in tanks, ftrs and bombers, in y calculations uk can have 100 arms in 42 and shitloads of air.
1 that's enough arms so uk can spare some mainland good luck to land.
2 uk due to free market build ftrs and tacs like pancakes, send out your navy off uk coasts I will be happy, toast for the bombers.Spcially if UK have prepared a wing of NAVS for Japan .


In the war front situation tend to be always the same, euro axis due to their initial victories in 1940 have overstretched lines in africa and middle east, with uk Tanks not gunship infantry u can take those back in no time inflicting terrible damages.Those axis megalomaniac strategies bring the same result always : ned to garrison every beach in Africa that is more than defending only Italy and get fucking mp loss fighting in persian mountains or getting bombed to death in africa...

 

[mike8472]

hehe, guess you're wrong here.From experience when it come to 42 german situation looks like to this :

- TC fucked
- not enough IC to reinforce and upgrade your troops fast
- too much IC spent in supplies so you can't build much more
- allies bombing campaign can make you loose a bunch of prod gearings due to the fact you don't have the spare IC to compensate
- not enough IC spare to build suplies and keep your troops supplied in east front unless u cut on production (off supply give +12.5% combat efficiency)

As for UK :

- it have the IC to spare in tanks, ftrs and bombers, in y calculations uk can have 100 arms in 42 and shitloads of air.
1 that's enough arms so uk can spare some mainland good luck to land.
2 uk due to free market build ftrs and tacs like pancakes, send out your navy off uk coasts I will be happy, toast for the bombers.Spcially if UK have prepared a wing of NAVS for Japan .


In the war front situation tend to be always the same, euro axis due to their initial victories in 1940 have overstretched lines in africa and middle east, with uk Tanks not gunship infantry u can take those back in no time inflicting terrible damages.Those axis megalomaniac strategies bring the same result always : ned to garrison every beach in Africa that is more than defending only Italy and get fucking mp loss fighting in persian mountains or getting bombed to death in africa...

Are you stupid or is french IQ suddenly lower in your generation, perhaps is just your retarded and didnt read my post in full.

I stated if Germany has not won or in a wining position by 1942 they most likely cannot win, not matter the IC you have.

Yet this is exactly the time frame of when that extra IC starts to pay dividends, which is to late for Germany to win the war unless you get lucky. Against good players you wont get lucky.

The whole concept of Germany and its military doctrines is fast war, it is not setup for a long term war and the longer its goes the greater the odds it faces.

Ive only won a few games in 1944 as Germany where I managed to defeat the USSR in a brutal war of attrition in my favor. Most other victories were won in 41, 42 and some in early 43.

I havt not played a game yet where TC or upgrades had prevented me from victory. This arguements are only for those who do not know how to work around this, or merly listen to others on the forums who have not tested it for them selves and just work of spreadsheets.

There is always a solution or strategy to work around it.

Axis are always the under dogs, its the way it is. It is far harder to win as the Axis then allies. In time allies are nearly unstopable, there the easy side to play.

As for Axis when I play, I dont encourage going into persia early or endless conquests in africa unless allies are very weak. I limit our advances to pre set plans and long term strategies worked out prior to war. I dont defned every beach head. Play a flexible defense, if the allies land move and counter in a position that offers best chance of defence not get whittles away in small beach defences being surrounded and cut off.

As for airpower it is rare as Germany I do not maintain air superoirty deep into the game on most fronts. Times when it appears I do not have air superioty is more through choice then no planes present. Why fight and loss lots of MP loses and huge replacements in IC if the battle is not over some thing significant. Pick your battles for when and where you need to fight. I dont fight just because some one bombs a few shitty units, only if it is a vital area I consider central to axis strategy. If not pull back and play a mobile defensive and counter attacking game.

 

[Nasr]

Like heinsen says, the UK's ability to pump out units is ridiculous.

With aircraft assembly + full free market + full hawk lobby, it gets fighters out every 60 days, for something like 9 IC.

Basic medium tanks every 80-90 days, for 14 IC?

 

[Nasr]

Your history appears to differ alot to mine. I believe you found cheating on a number occasions by various members of the group and hence why you were banned again. You runined your second chance and a number of our big games. I do recall you doing very well hence why some players on your own team checked the save and the rest is history.

Lets hope history dosnt repeat it self and you have matured some what since then.

Selective amnesia, it seems.

 

[mike8472]

Like heinsen says, the UK's ability to pump out units is ridiculous.

With aircraft assembly + full free market + full hawk lobby, it gets fighters out every 60 days, for something like 9 IC.

Basic medium tanks every 80-90 days, for 14 IC?

That is the allied strength and balances for early axis strength and then overwelms the axis as it did in real life. Thats why Germany has to win befor 1942 in most games. But this would make for boring games if every game finished prior to 1942.

The most fun games ive had have been ones that ended in 1948 or 45 which have been few. Even those these resulted in Axis losses they were extremely fun and a testament to the axis for holding out so long.

The only reason our games often end earlier is due to stupid player behavior and they quit and it hard to get people to fill in. If people would just grow some balls and play till then end most games would be great fun dispite the frustrations. Hello your fighting a world war your going to suffer setbacks and get stressed some times.

 

[Majorball]

Some advocate IC spamming and others say not to waste time with it. It's an anyones arument its what you do with it that counts. To do either has its advantages and disadvantages.

You dont get any IC benefiet from building industry until 1941-42. Better to try win the game by building an army.

 

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You dont get any IC benefiet from building industry until 1941-42. Better to try win the game by building an army.

Allies yes, Axis no.

 

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1. Germany has the ability to win the game or at least setup a wining position from 1939-1942.

You grunt also mentioned a winning position not a game lost for allies by 42.
Allies come back in 42 is always a terrible thing. And..every german player no matter he built IC or not want victory prior to 42.
No IC build = kick the shit out of the allies in 1940 and grab as much land as possible to make a buffer for italy and in med in general.And go to east front without any hopes of victory past 42.
IC build = kick the shit out of the soviet union, make strong and umpregnable defensive positions in italy and france and kill soviet union in a long term attrition war without worrying about allies landing.
I wonder which strategy is the best.

 

[Nasr]

What I am dealing with, I don't think many Germany players in this group have dealt with.

I'm dealing with a UK that is pumping out armoured divisions, to stall me in France.

With full free market and hawk lobby, and -5% armoured construction minister, the UK can easily bring out 30-40 tanks from 39-40. Atleast in my testing.

And that is along with 40 Level 2 fighters.

That is a huge headache for Germany.

Within 1 year, Germany has to turn its attention to Russia.

That leaves France bare.

With the UK sitting on 100 armour by mid 41 to 42, and atleast 100 level 2 fighters, it can easily take back France and chop up Germany as it fights against a 500 IC beast of a Russia.

 

[Majorball]

What I am dealing with, I don't think many Germany players in this group have dealt with.

I'm dealing with a UK that is pumping out armoured divisions, to stall me in France.

With full free market and hawk lobby, and -5% armoured construction minister, the UK can easily bring out 30-40 tanks from 39-40. Atleast in my testing.

And that is along with 40 Level 2 fighters.

That is a huge headache for Germany.

Within 1 year, Germany has to turn its attention to Russia.

That leaves France bare.

With the UK sitting on 100 armour by mid 41 to 42, and atleast 100 level 2 fighters, it can easily take back France and chop up Germany as it fights against a 500 IC beast of a Russia.

I think your over stating UK build capabilities pre war and German doctrines over power UK doctrines early in the war every day of the week. The UK is restricted by gearing limits and are only capable of pumping out 18-20 armour in 1939 and that is by sacrificing something else. I think it is a huge mistake for Germany not to build a navy because a small modern navy really makes it difficult for the UK and puts them at a huge disadvantage if they do not build some modern ships. By not building ships you make it easy for the UK player in my opinion.

So stop worrying about what might happen and do what you normally do. Just be warned though if you go into France right after Poland it can cost you if you are not fully prepared. If you get stuck in France for the winter it can be very expensive.

The UK by building a couple years of IC has lost 2 years of production which it wont see a benefeit for until 1941.

100 armour and 100 interceptors. I like to see that.

 

[mike8472]

You grunt also mentioned a winning position not a game lost for allies by 42.
Allies come back in 42 is always a terrible thing. And..every german player no matter he built IC or not want victory prior to 42.
No IC build = kick the shit out of the allies in 1940 and grab as much land as possible to make a buffer for italy and in med in general.And go to east front without any hopes of victory past 42.
IC build = kick the shit out of the soviet union, make strong and umpregnable defensive positions in italy and france and kill soviet union in a long term attrition war without worrying about allies landing.
I wonder which strategy is the best.

I have won with both types of buildups.

But I won alot eaiser every game where I did no IC build up between 36-38.

If you play against a good USSR you cannot win as Germany post 1942 or at the latest if allies are weak 1943. If you do win past this you have not played a good USSR player as they will crush you if played correctly. USSR is over powered considering they were only a hairs breath away from total defeat.

Your strategies are simplistic and any half decent player knows them. Your not dealing with newbs here frenchman. We have been playing this game since hoi1 first came out, so dont lecture us. You can learn from us.

It is pure game expeirence over the last 5+ years that building IC is not worth it as Germany. Both strategies are strong but going for the military production earlier is superior as it suits Germanys strategic and geographical positions, doctrines and war objectives. To plan for a long war in which you can naver match the USSR or USA unless there newbs, then ofcourse its a different games. But normal our games the USSR and USA are good players and there for very hard to beat.

 

[mike8472]

What I am dealing with, I don't think many Germany players in this group have dealt with.

I'm dealing with a UK that is pumping out armoured divisions, to stall me in France.

With full free market and hawk lobby, and -5% armoured construction minister, the UK can easily bring out 30-40 tanks from 39-40. Atleast in my testing.

And that is along with 40 Level 2 fighters.

That is a huge headache for Germany.

Within 1 year, Germany has to turn its attention to Russia.

That leaves France bare.

With the UK sitting on 100 armour by mid 41 to 42, and atleast 100 level 2 fighters, it can easily take back France and chop up Germany as it fights against a 500 IC beast of a Russia.

If you did the right builds you can easily knock out the UK if they have done 2 years worth of IC build up, big mistake. UK player is planning on a long game and will be weaker in the earlier part of the game.

The IC buildup means the UK has not built any more modern ships in which case the UK is open to invasion. Germany can build powerful fleets which can crush the UK navy easily. With the right ground troops you can get ashore no problems, dont worry about losing a few ships to airpower, you have to take losses and taking out the UK is worth it.

The UK player will be banking on you not going for sealion or failing in your attempt. Its all a matter of timing, at some point the UK player will need to move forces to defend the middle east/africa, gibralter, malta and so on against Italy. You can even plan on an early Japan DOW in early 1941 combined with a sea lion attempt in early 1941 to really stretch the UK if your not ready in 39/40.

You can beat he is weak at sea as he knows not to build armour and air is the death for sure for the UK. He will relie on his old navy to protect him, but if Germany builds a navy it can defeat the Royal Navy and open up sealion. All your air needs to do is break even with the RAF, you dont need to beat them.

If you have enough TPS you can hit mulitple beaches at once not allowing the UK defenders to mass. Depending if you built marinea, paras and mountain troops will depend if you can pull this off. V1s are also great for knowing out infra, AA airfields. So even if the RAF is strong they wont be able to sustain for long with no airfields, infrastrucutre will delay the movement of reinforcements and not allow the enemy to reorg allowing you to do mulitplae wave of attacks on the beaches.

If planned right you can hit beaches from 4 directions. Use 6 divisions from each direction with a feild marshal loading in s[are TP that works as a HQ. You can asullt the beach head with 24 divisions with little penalty, throguh in fire support from ships, bombing by superstacks of planes on interdiction, good idea to put all your fighters and bombers on interdiction one hour after the battle starts, then all planes will fly to that battle and hit the defenders, rather then some other quiet province.

Its not difficult to do and if the UK player made the big mistake of doing 2 years of IC build up he has given you the perfect opportunty to knock the UK out of the war. Dont play nice he wont place nice once your insdie russia and is using all that extra IC to build tanks and planes. Go all out and destroy the UK.

At the least even if you fail it will force him to concentrate his forces around the UK for along time allowing Italy to rampage in the med and secure itself and possible get Japan in the war early as UK is to weak to defend its far off asian empire. IF the UK player dosnt build enough forces early to defend his empire then he loses the right to have an empire and Japan should strike early and take out Australia, India and so on while the opportunity is there. If the US has also done a big IC buildup well you will catch both the UK and US with little new forces early on. You wll have a big advantage for some time. Its worth looking at.

Dont allow the allies the time they need to bring all that IC into play, force them to play now and use what they got. If you just sit back and allow the allies to build IC and wait for them to crush you later your a fool.

It all depends on what you built. You can still fix your builds if you build what you need now. If you want me to PM you some good builds options and strategies to take down the UK i will, just ask me.

 

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Your strategies are simplistic and any half decent player knows them. Your not dealing with newbs here frenchman. We have been playing this game since hoi1 first came out, so dont lecture us. You can learn from us.

hahaha, you make me laugh. If my strategies were so simplistic I wonder why people still get beaten, though in a different way in each game. You never played me in a GC from 36 and you're still bullshiting around instead of moving your chicken ass to get teached an hoi lesson. If only u had enough experience and knew how to run other nations I could show you how to run germany you noob.France is just an easy stage for UK, it's not playing his life here but german life.
I have so poor strategy, what can I say you're my master.But I'm still looking forward to the day u will have the balls to face me not giving a dead alive UK in 41 as fresh meat for you and then gloat around you've beaten me. :rofl:
That's so pathetic.Come on, I got years of mp behind me u won't learn me anything but that u will quit or bullshit in this forum once u will loose your first pack of divs somewhere in europe past danzig.Or like some untermenschen accusate me of cheating because they can't stand defeat and humiliation. :rofl:

 

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If you did the right builds you can easily knock out the UK if they have done 2 years worth of IC build up, big mistake. UK player is planning on a long game and will be weaker in the earlier part of the game.

The IC buildup means the UK has not built any more modern ships in which case the UK is open to invasion. Germany can build powerful fleets which can crush the UK navy easily. With the right ground troops you can get ashore no problems, dont worry about losing a few ships to airpower, you have to take losses and taking out the UK is worth it.

The UK player will be banking on you not going for sealion or failing in your attempt. Its all a matter of timing, at some point the UK player will need to move forces to defend the middle east/africa, gibralter, malta and so on against Italy. You can even plan on an early Japan DOW in early 1941 combined with a sea lion attempt in early 1941 to really stretch the UK if your not ready in 39/40.

You can beat he is weak at sea as he knows not to build armour and air is the death for sure for the UK. He will relie on his old navy to protect him, but if Germany builds a navy it can defeat the Royal Navy and open up sealion. All your air needs to do is break even with the RAF, you dont need to beat them.

If you have enough TPS you can hit mulitple beaches at once not allowing the UK defenders to mass. Depending if you built marinea, paras and mountain troops will depend if you can pull this off. V1s are also great for knowing out infra, AA airfields. So even if the RAF is strong they wont be able to sustain for long with no airfields, infrastrucutre will delay the movement of reinforcements and not allow the enemy to reorg allowing you to do mulitplae wave of attacks on the beaches.

If planned right you can hit beaches from 4 directions. Use 6 divisions from each direction with a feild marshal loading in s[are TP that works as a HQ. You can asullt the beach head with 24 divisions with little penalty, throguh in fire support from ships, bombing by superstacks of planes on interdiction, good idea to put all your fighters and bombers on interdiction one hour after the battle starts, then all planes will fly to that battle and hit the defenders, rather then some other quiet province.

Its not difficult to do and if the UK player made the big mistake of doing 2 years of IC build up he has given you the perfect opportunty to knock the UK out of the war. Dont play nice he wont place nice once your insdie russia and is using all that extra IC to build tanks and planes. Go all out and destroy the UK.

At the least even if you fail it will force him to concentrate his forces around the UK for along time allowing Italy to rampage in the med and secure itself and possible get Japan in the war early as UK is to weak to defend its far off asian empire. IF the UK player dosnt build enough forces early to defend his empire then he loses the right to have an empire and Japan should strike early and take out Australia, India and so on while the opportunity is there. If the US has also done a big IC buildup well you will catch both the UK and US with little new forces early on. You wll have a big advantage for some time. Its worth looking at.

Dont allow the allies the time they need to bring all that IC into play, force them to play now and use what they got. If you just sit back and allow the allies to build IC and wait for them to crush you later your a fool.

It all depends on what you built. You can still fix your builds if you build what you need now. If you want me to PM you some good builds options and strategies to take down the UK i will, just ask me.

UK building a navy is a joke and reserved to noobs.A good UK should manage to crush the italian navy sailing or in port within 5 months after it joined the war, then it won't have to worry about med anymore and bring the cream of his fleet in the atlantic to toy with germany in his beaches.Does german sail with 30 ships ? bah let's see how long it will survive against the 120 UK ships blob.Knowing a good UK will prepare a wing of 8 navs ready to toast that pityfull fleet that suck years of day IC for nothing.
I know long about seelowe since myself I did countless operations of such scale so I'm aware of it.Did I get seelowed for few days by MG ? That's mostly because I was rolling into west germany with poland still alive and game lost his interest so I didn't paid attention to my screens surveying all potential KM roads.
I know that the majority of german players wants to have the privilege and prestige of landing in my UK but it always turned down in a massacre of the KM that turn into coral reefs with his loaded mens swimming in bottom of the ocean.

You does believe that uk can't survive if it build arms instead of infantry,I don't know where do you get this idea (gunships maybe ?) but I believe that u did not played many mp outside of the aussie (7-9 players) group, grow up and watch around you, there's another players, another groups, another strategies.Your strategies can work on aussies but won't work on me but well what can I say u will insult me as you're used to instead of thinking twice about what I'm going to say : I'm there pick the occasion to play me and stop bulshitting cuz U know I won't be there undefinitivelly, other groups calling and time difference will make me leave this group soon or later, afterwards u will go back to your old habit of playing always the same people always the same way, always germany or italy, you're getting Old guard and you know old guard don't learn as fast as openminded people .Think twice I know you don't have flexible schedule to play but I'm here at aussie gaming time !

 

[mike8472]

UK building a navy is a joke and reserved to noobs.A good UK should manage to crush the italian navy sailing or in port within 5 months after it joined the war, then it won't have to worry about med anymore and bring the cream of his fleet in the atlantic to toy with germany in his beaches.Does german sail with 30 ships ? bah let's see how long it will survive against the 120 UK ships blob.Knowing a good UK will prepare a wing of 8 navs ready to toast that pityfull fleet that suck years of day IC for nothing.
I know long about seelowe since myself I did countless operations of such scale so I'm aware of it.Did I get seelowed for few days by MG ? That's mostly because I was rolling into west germany with poland still alive and game lost his interest so I didn't paid attention to my screens surveying all potential KM roads.
I know that the majority of german players wants to have the privilege and prestige of landing in my UK but it always turned down in a massacre of the KM that turn into coral reefs with his loaded mens swimming in bottom of the ocean.

You does believe that uk can't survive if it build arms instead of infantry,I don't know where do you get this idea (gunships maybe ?) but I believe that u did not played many mp outside of the aussie (7-9 players) group, grow up and watch around you, there's another players, another groups, another strategies.Your strategies can work on aussies but won't work on me but well what can I say u will insult me as you're used to instead of thinking twice about what I'm going to say : I'm there pick the occasion to play me and stop bulshitting cuz U know I won't be there undefinitivelly, other groups calling and time difference will make me leave this group soon or later, afterwards u will go back to your old habit of playing always the same people always the same way, always germany or italy, you're getting Old guard and you know old guard don't learn as fast as openminded people .Think twice I know you don't have flexible schedule to play but I'm here at aussie gaming time !

You are really showing your lack of experience now. A Good Germany can build a decent fleet, large airforce and armoured forces to defeat the USSR.

In our games due to players reaching such an advanced state of experience the core gorup anyway. A UK that dosnt build more ships aginst my Germany is simply dead and out of the game, its that simple. Your naval bombers wont do squat against me.

Just be lucky your not playing a real experienced Germany or your would already be doomed.

You may be good playing in other groups but so far your ideas are simlistic and it dosnt impress me. It may wash with some newbs from europe but not with us hard core Aussies.

So how about you stop the pissing contest and see how you go in this game, although your up against a newb Germany so it will be over quickly.

Oh and I never said build infantry instead of tanks, your putting words into my mouth now. I said it was a mistake to build two years worth of IC. Dont do that versus me as I dont want an early restart after your defeated easily.

Your turn will come, you will get to face me soon enough. From what ive seen so far though you might not be worth the fight. Your ideas so far are on par with the gunnies best strategies.

 

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IT was love at first sight......................................................



This will all end in tears :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[mike8472]

IT was love at first sight......................................................



This will all end in tears :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

All good fun.

Not going to let this frenchmen come in here and basicly call us a bunch of newbs.

In the words of a famous Aussie "Harden the fuk up". :rofl:

 

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You are really showing your lack of experience now. A Good Germany can build a decent fleet, large airforce and armoured forces to defeat the USSR.

In our games due to players reaching such an advanced state of experience the core gorup anyway. A UK that dosnt build more ships aginst my Germany is simply dead and out of the game, its that simple. Your naval bombers wont do squat against me.

Just be lucky your not playing a real experienced Germany or your would already be doomed.

You may be good playing in other groups but so far your ideas are simlistic and it dosnt impress me. It may wash with some newbs from europe but not with us hard core Aussies.

So how about you stop the pissing contest and see how you go in this game, although your up against a newb Germany so it will be over quickly.

Oh and I never said build infantry instead of tanks, your putting words into my mouth now. I said it was a mistake to build two years worth of IC. Dont do that versus me as I dont want an early restart after your defeated easily.

Your turn will come, you will get to face me soon enough. From what ive seen so far though you might not be worth the fight. Your ideas so far are on par with the gunnies best strategies.

hehehe, "you turn will come", "you will", then blablabla, still chicken and still words and bullshit instead of coming on battlefield and see by yourself how simplistic my ideas are and how those forums rethorics means nothing once in battle. You don't imagine that I will reveal here in forum all my tactics as uk while playing as uk or you're real retard or just naïve. I like to toy with you and your rethorics that's so funny and then you call your rethorics superior to mines, but hell vanilla is duplo game my son and I faced more then one guy spreading great theories using his americaner language.It's just fun seeing how easy it's to smash them in despite of their superior theories when talking in msn or forum. :rofl:
I might show ya "one day" how useless navy is in vanilla.Navs and tacs rule the seas, not your worthless cruisers or even worse your BB's.