New 4.1 Beta - 15th of April

[no7892142]

You can't force the release of a nation if it still exists. What I meant is if Poland takes all but one of Brandenburg's provinces, you can take them from Poland and give them back to Brandenburg. That is the sort of thing I'd expect a Holy Roman Emperor to do.

Yes of yourse. I know what you mean.
But in my current Brandenburg game for example Poland had annexed the Teutonic Order and Bohemia.
My options with the new patch would be:
1. Grabbing all those provinces for .4 infamy each, then releasing both as vassals. (2 Infamy; 2 vassals gained (does releasing vassals reduce infamy?))
2. Only releasing those two nations without any territorial expanding whatsoever. (0 Infamy; two new HRE nations/allies)
3. Taking all those provinces for myself (2 Infamy for the peace deal; 62.5 Infamy until they core)

I don't know, but I can't imagine whoever would take the second or third option (expect people who have certain house rules, etc though).

Could be me...but something seems..off, unbalanced, whatever.
That's why I decided to stick with the March beta for now.

 

[Darth Moose]

No worries on that account, our philosophy is a bit different. However, going over the Infamy limit has always been supposed to be disastrous. You are not really meant to... I think you should try the patch.

Actually, the only time I ever passed the BB limit was my first game in IN3.1, and that when I got bored with it and decided to start a new game. I tend to stay below 10 BB if I can help it.

I'm more concerned with the inability of the AI to deal with the HRE. The only time I've ever played a country in the HRE in HTTT is my current Brandenburg game (soon to be Prussia, come ye Protesters, show me yer face so I may convert!).

In my parallel Ottoman game, I have two blobs, Burgundy (Emperor) and Austria (BWB) giving me competition in Europe, and Castille in North Africa. If I install the current update, I will lose two competitors to the new Infamy & HRE rules, as B & A will probably implode on starting the patched game...

 

[unmerged(80814)]

Aah... You know I cannot comment on such.

/sad panda face

Judging from the new events in HttT you haven't lost your love for the game.

 

[Avisian]

The new patch officially renames the HRE into the Hippie Roman Empire!

(credits go to Trustno1)

 

[Kapt Torbjorn]

Couldn't a player abuse the AI by taking non-core HRE provinces and then selling them for 0 gold to an AI country so that after a few years they go over the BB limit and then collapse?

 

[BritNavFan]

Part of the implosion problem seems to me to be that it's gotten a lot better at expanding and seizing an opportunity than it used to be but it still has some stuff to learn about how to hold on to it's gains.

I think the addition of "legitimacy" is a big part of this. The effects of legitimacy stack with those of stability, and it's normal for countries to be doing well at both at once or badly at both at once.

So let's say you have your typical AI country at the start of the game: it starts with both good stab (being relatively small) and legit, so it gets the bonuses for both and is more stable than it was before HTTT. Now let's say it's fortunate, wins a few wars, and balloons. Still good, it's still 3 less revolt risk because of the legitimacy than before HTTT. Now, let's say that for whatever reason, its stability drops to -2 or -3. Negative stability removes legitimacy fast, and the AI doesn't seem to understand how to fix this. Since our AI country has become big, it stays at negative stability for a while (since the AI generally doesn't make a super high priority of recovering stability.) So fairly shortly, the ballooned AI country will have both low stab and low legit, and will have more revolt risk than before HTTT.

 

[Irioth]

Personally, I do think that the new penalty for HRE non-core provinces is stupid and discourages expansion of HRE states beyond its borders and then bringing such conquered provinces within the HRE fold, far too much. I think such penalty is unfair and its negative effects more severe than the supposed positive benefits (reducing HRE internal consolidation), which I don't really care to have in the first place.

So I've commented out this modifier with extreme prejudice and mean to cntinue to do so, if it's kept in future patches.

As far as I'm concerned, this modifier is an EPIC FAIL.

 

[Ificrates]

Is there any reason why my launcher keeps believing there's no new update available? How can I download the patch?

 

[AJSM]

Is there any reason why my launcher keeps believing there's no new update available? How can I download the patch?

you have to manually install it from the tech support forum.

 

[unmerged(60969)]

i dont see any tech support forum

 

[Avisian]

U need to register the game to be able to see it.

 

[cosmeIII]

Hope the mods react fast and makes versions for this beta.

 

[Ificrates]

you have to manually install it from the tech support forum.

Gracias (thx)

 

[unmerged(72758)]

Is there any reason why my launcher keeps believing there's no new update available? How can I download the patch?

i dont see any tech support forum

You must first register the Base Game (EUIII or Complete). You'll have access to all (sub)forums (Tech support, BugReport, Mods etc.).

 

[Ificrates]

So, if you just have HTTT registered you cannot have the latest HTTT patch?

 

[sprites]

yep , cause the tech support isn't HTTT specific

 

[Chamboozer]

You can't force the release of a nation if it still exists. What I meant is if Poland takes all but one of Brandenburg's provinces, you can take them from Poland and give them back to Brandenburg. That is the sort of thing I'd expect a Holy Roman Emperor to do.

But the AI will never do that.

 

[Kaltsu123]

Paradox should add Imperial Demense to HTTT, like in that one mod that I just can't remember, that way emperor could still do his job without getting a lot of BB, or another option is to add ability to return provinces to core holders in peace negoations window.

 

[groan]

So, if you just have HTTT registered you cannot have the latest HTTT patch?

Technically yes, but remember this 'latest patch' is still in beta. Once everything is tweaked just right they will release the final version and people who don't have it registered will be able to download it from the launcher.

Although registering the game gets you access to many goodies on this forum.

 

[unmerged(199227)]

As far as the large scale annexations is concerned - I only really have a fear that the trade leagues are all 1 war away from non-existence.

The positive side, that makes it a blessing above a curse, is the fact that now you can finally wrench capitals from countries whereas before you had to jump through hoops and fight multiple wars.