Why should that matter given how the history of most countries is already misrepresented by arbitrary NIs and religion bonuses?
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Never played as Muscovy
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That has been my overall plans too. I found that starting defensive and taking it from there may be advantageous. If you conquer a lot of land early, besides Novgobear and other christians, religious may be worth it as the first. If you want to colonize fast, go for expansion first and eat Perm asap. Russia may be one of the best countries for espionage later on to soften a country by getting your true friends to do the work (Europe is far too stable for supporting rebels to be really valuable. RotW needs other ideas more.) winning the positioning game at wars and isolating your neighbors diplomatically! Whether that is enough compared to influence, diplomatic and trade? I'm not sure, but it is as viable as it gets.
Why would a Russian Tsar willingly submit to some silly Holy Roman Emperor? They are rivals for the legacy of Rome. Why would a Russian Tsar submit to some silly Western theologian like the Pope or Martin Luther? Maybe such silliness would be less nonsensical for a Novgorod game, but it is still fairly implausible.
anybody who promotes the "religion shifts, HRE emperorship" runs as a be all end all are idiots. If im playing Russia, why am i being told "go become an HRE member! and catholic!". Why did i even start as russia then?
I think Exploration is better than Expansion first because I've found that there is alot of down time while you wait for the FOG of war to lift over provinces, of course the Expansion causes belle in Asia is nice to have.
Russia auto uncovers territory next to it as it's 6th NI, exploration is effectively worthless unless you beelined for wanting to colonize the interior early
Playing captain the Obvious here, but there are certain *rules* one can not avoid. It's not our fault that HRE grants insane bonuses or Orthodox being such a poor choice religion wise. How come being Muslim grants you morale advantage over Orthodox? What a nonsense!
You could go on, though and ask yourself: why would a Russian Tsar willingly waste his men like a communist? But Russian (now Muscovian) NIs implies precisely that, making Russian army inherently worse than those equally sized of many other states. How is such a silliness plausible?
Hence I prefer utilizing the game rules the way I want, rather than comply with them pigeonholing me in accordance with some twisted moronic perception of the world.
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thats great, stop making it the be all end all bullshit you lot make it
every strat. ref i see shouldnt amount to "stop being non catholic. become HRE, renovate, ignore any reason you werent just austria from the start
I'm just pointing to a tested and efficient way of playing; no need to be that aggressive, otherwise people might suggest you've got nothing to back your words with. I'm yet to figure out the reasons why remain Orthodox, avoid westernization and miss HRE, but I do believe there might be some - what you should do is stop making it look like the only valid strategy, lol. Or even recommended, or normal/general - it's neither of those.
You failed to turn the argument around.
He never said to not westernise, but westernising with an eastern country is pretty worthless. Between ideas and WAT you are at 105%. Orthodox > Catholic.
I do agree with Mikalos, that the join HRE, renovate as being the only strategy is silly. Same country different ideas that don't matter because your vassals fight the wars for you. So pretty much playing the same country with a different 50 year start. So may as well just start as Austria and revoke in 1470.
I do understand you, but some of the players, me included, care for at least a bit of historical plausibility when playing this game. Going Catholic & HRE with Russia is just as silly as going Prussia > Russia or Orthodox Ottomans. Yes, there are some perks doing what you said, but as someone said above if you want to go HRE & revoke then it's just as you played Austria or any other HRE country for that matter.
+1. Gets boring in the later game though when you are all the way to Alaska & biggest country in the world. Early & mid game is great fun.
I, for one, never pass reforms above 4; uniting HRE indeed make it look all the same
If you're saying that expanding wisely is pretty much the same for any country, then it's obvious, really. You min-max, you conquer lands and vassal feed. Anything missed? For that matter, starting as, say, Spain is no different to England. There are the same mechanics all over there. So let's not oversimplify it excessively. Otherwise I'd say: if all you intend doing is beating up hordes and colonizing empty Siberia, then it's the same as conqering Kaffa as Spain and moving your capital there.Thinking of trying Sunni at some point; solid stuff and easily accessible at any point. Hindu seems to be much trickier to turn into.
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MAybe because i like to actually play as the -country- and not power game my way to the perfect victory?
What's the point of picking anybody but Austria or maybe Bavaria/Brandenburg if all im going to do is turn myself western christian. and become emperor, and then play as austria would but with a bunch of random ass land elsewhere.
Why am i renovating the HRE as ethiopia and giving up being ethiopia. Why am i giving up anything at all about the turks just to be ottoman turk emperor?
So again, sod off. Stop pushing "play austria but not be austria" as the best only perfect strategy.
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Rather, stop "playing Muscovy as Spain while not being Spain" and rage about someone else playing in a different way.
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exploration first is also an option. Prolly one of the best
whatever you do, dont get religion first. Theres absolutely no need. Fabricate all claims and vassalize the hordes. It will be decades before you'd be able to integrate these muslim vassals therefore the religious bonuses are not needed. Grab religion second or third.
Exploration first is an option simply cuz you need a ton of admin ideas but you will be rich in dip points, and because you want to westernize asap(lacking in dip tech helps with that).
Sometimes even with decent leaders you'd get to gov tech 10 like in 1540. Therefore grabbing a DIP colonial idea instead of ADM would really help you in the first 200 years by a landslide compared to expansion, and would allow you to colonize in time all the way to california
and if you have religious casus belli theres no real need for expansion as well. Besides, there'd be more than enough enemies in Europe to deal with. Fighting asia is an overkill for casual gamers
whatever you do, dont get religion first. Theres absolutely no need. Fabricate all claims and vassalize the hordes. It will be decades before you'd be able to integrate these muslim vassals therefore the religious bonuses are not needed. Grab religion second or third.
Exploration first is an option simply cuz you need a ton of admin ideas but you will be rich in dip points, and because you want to westernize asap(lacking in dip tech helps with that).
Sometimes even with decent leaders you'd get to gov tech 10 like in 1540. Therefore grabbing a DIP colonial idea instead of ADM would really help you in the first 200 years by a landslide compared to expansion, and would allow you to colonize in time all the way to california
and if you have religious casus belli theres no real need for expansion as well. Besides, there'd be more than enough enemies in Europe to deal with. Fighting asia is an overkill for casual gamers
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lol, I've just found an interesting early-game option: given both Ryazan and Tver have the same dynasty as you, the chances are high to claim throne & PU one of them and sell them the most of your provinces, thus getting into HRE in a quick and peaceful manner at the expense of some DIP points which you will spend annexing those provinces back. Pretty much just like a popular Polish strategy, but somehow I've never thought of it being applicable here.