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Holidays, so lots of spare time, and two gaming fanatics locked in the basement. ;) So you get... Ideas....
Bad Ideas, in general. After some failed experiments with various games played over the LAN, we, that is Avernite and I, decided on a game of EU2.. To make sure (or atleast, to add some incentive to) we actual finish the game, we decided to make an AAR out of it.

...Loosely based on the ideas of Kim Stanley Robinson, as described in his book "The Years of Rice and Salt", we decided to play with China and The Ottoman Empire.

..China being the less than popular choice due to it's revolts, we decided to kick most of the revolt events out (and with it, the Manchu takeover sequence), and additionally, since we'll be ruling the nations for the whole game ANYWAY, we decided to give each only one, eternal, monarch.. Additional benefit is that it avoids a lot of frustration with all those incompetent monarchs you get... as we, ofcourse, gave ourselves pretty decent (a total of 21 stat points) monarchs.

So, here's the setup...

game: "vanilla" EU2 1.09
scenario: 1419, most revolt events for China are slept.
difficulty: normal/normal

The Ottoman Empire
Ruled by Mehmed(6/9/6)
played by Avernite.

China
Ruled by Yongle(6/9/6) [any similarity is pure coincidence!]
played by ForzaA.
 

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Wow this sounds supercool :cool: I'm surely gonna read it :D
 

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Mehmed the Eternal

Mehmed really wasn't much special as a Sultan. After the terrible defeat at the hands of the Timurids, his task was essentially to recover what was lost.

He did so well, but at a certain point something happened that turned well into great.

Something, or someone, began whispering in his ear, Mehmed began hearing a voice that noone could. This voice, aiding and guiding him, could be none but Allah, for he knew present, past, and future, and he was quite benevolent.

This voice warned him of another, a voice like his attempting to steer the world, yet in an entirely worse direction. This was, of course, the devil, and he resided in the east where the unbelievers dwell.

The voice itself was quite pleased with the story. Was it Allah, God, Satan? Few know, and fewer still live to tell it, so this tome, describing life and death of Mehmed the Eternal will not mention it. One should note, however, hat Mehmed had neither TV nor Radio, and he was thus quite convinced by this rather standard story.

And so, at the dawn of a new era, as Europe was fractured, one European set out to unite all of Asia. Following in the footsteps of Alexander the Macedonian, Mehmed the Ottoman would unite much of Asia before facing any serious opposition.

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The Turks in 1419, Christian Calendar (CC)

With his newfound power, Mehmed set out to accomplish what none of his ancestors had: The destruction of Rum, the fall of the city of Men's Desire. To that effect, he gathered more of the nations power to his hands, and declared war on the decadent Romans.

Constantinople fell in a year, and the Morean lands had already been secured. The 'Emperor' accepted this reality, but aided by Venetian and Genoan spies, he retook his city, temporarily.

Mehmed was not very amused by this treachery, and immediately declared war on the Romans again. By 1422, as the Romans called it, it was all over. Rome was dead, except for the pitifull allmost-Empire in Francia. Mehmed immediately appointed a new Patriarch and moved his court to the great city.

At nearly the same time, the petty rulers of Anatolia had begun consolidating their power. Already, the prince of Dulkadir had surrendered to the 'sultan' of Karaman. This could not be allowed, a powerfull state forming in the path of Mehmed's great plan.

Thus, war was declared, a month before the final fall of Constantinople. Ottoman troops rapidly advanced on the territories of Karaman, and shockingly enough, Teke. These pitifull princes, banding together against the great Sultan?

The war swung back and forth, to not much avail, and so Mehmed decided he needed more sources of income. To gather these, he broke the agreements signed with Venetia and Genoa, and gathered the trade of the Bosporus into his hands. This attracted many Turks from Anatolia, and they were settled a few miles from the great city, turning Macedonia into a predominantly Sunni region.

However, in 1425 CC, the prince of Karaman surrendered most of his land to the Sultan, and the people of the Sultanate rejoiced. 200 ducats were gathered and presented as a gift to the Sultan, who in return acccepted to institute the Sheikh-Ul-Islam, while his general Murad marched on Teke.

The Chief of the Ak Koyunlu saw the growing power of the Sultan, and rather than being another blocking the path to the east, he joined Mehmed in his endeavors. To celebrate, Mehmeds heir married a woman from that tribe, rather than a decadent Roman. The chief proved to be wise, for only a few months later the prince of Teke was publically executed for opposing the Sultan, and also for calling the Sultanate an Empire. Mehmed would not be associated with Emperors, for he had heard his foe was an Emperor.

The christians were not quiet either, and although Mehmed preferred to head East only, he had to pay attention to the west. He had certain treaties with the Duke of Athens, and when the Albanians annexed them, he had to act. In a year, with ever swifter offensives, the former Duchy was a subject of the Sultan.

With the christians quiet and squabbling among themselves, the Sultan turned east and inward. His missionary efforts, although failing many times, managed to convert Dobrudja. Private initiative and additional Turks flocking to the Bosporus managed to convert the region of Rumelia.

He also, as mentioned, turned east, attempting to turn the chiefdom of the Ak Koyunlu into a vassal of the Sultanate. This failed time after time, and in despair, Mehmed called upon the voice.


What must I do? What can I do? I am a failure to you, please take my life and find one more worthy.
No, Mehmed. You are the chosen one. You will not die untill the threat has passed, and you have done admirably. Try again, eventually they will fold.
Not die? Ever? But I am already growing old, I see the people look.
Wrong again. They look, for you have not aged in 20 years. And you will not untill it is all over. Now, I have a task for you.
Can I redeem myself? What must I do?
Stop that! You have done well. You must destroy the Mamelukes, their religion is a blasphemy. Declare war on them now!
I understand, indeed they are blasphemers. Their death will be swift!
See, that wasn't too hard?

The Mameluke wars

And thus, for reasons that remain unknown, although it is claimed these words were transmitted by Mehmed to his scribes in 1550 CC, the Sultanate declared war on the Mamelukes.

In a swift and brutal campaign, where no Turkish soldier ever defended his position for he was already advancing again, the Mamelukes were defeated.

Alexandria, pearl of Egypt, aswell as the mediterranean coast of the Levant, were transferred to Mehmed.

A second war began only shortly after Mehmeds efforts finally bore fruit as Morea became mostly Sunni, as the chief of the Ak Koyunlu, feeling it would please the Sultan, declared war on the Mamelukes.

This war lasted for a year more than the last, as Mehmed occupied all of Egypt instead of only strategic ports, and it is said Ottoman offensives were so brutal now, they were on an entirely different level than those of others.

During this war, maps were also drawn of the entire Sultanate, as shown below. It is said a converted christian from Lebanon made it, to celebrate the fact a Sunni majority was reached when many fled the ravages of war in Syria and Egypt.
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China 1419-1449

In the seventeenth year of his reign, the Yongle Emperor decided that China needed a new purpose. No longer content with tribute merely from Dai Viet, and some tribute gained through the voyages of his most trusted admiral, Zheng He, he realised that China, in order to truly project it's power, would need to be restructured.
The Emperor's eunuchs got to work immediately on reforms regarding agriculture and taxation. (+1 Serfdom, all investment towards infrastructure)

Meanwhile, the army would reorganise in the southern provinces to fight the Vietnamese rebel Le Loi, who had by now gained the support of many thousands of Vietnamese. He proved a strong opponent, but when he was trapped with only a few of his supporters, the war was decided, and in November of the nineteenth year of the Yongle Emperor (1421), the rebellion was completely suppressed, the Vietnamese were forced to pay the tributes they had refused to pay over the past few years, and would acknowledge China's mastery. Dai Viet pays 125 ducats and becomes a vasal to China

At the same time, Zheng He's fleet had turned eastward, and with access in Japanese ports, an attempt could be made at crossing the Great Ocean. Unfortunately, the strains of the journey took a great toll on the admiral and his men, and only a few men eventually made it back in the twenty-first year of the Yongle Emperor(1423), relating tales of a barren coast, with a violent wind keeping them from landing on this shore to resupply.



In the eightteenth year of the Yongle Emperor, the eunuchs reported that they had devised a way to improve tax collection, but they would need great amounts of money to implement the necessary reforms. The emperor ordered money to be collected in whatever way possible to finance the reform, and by june of the 22nd year of his reign, the reform was fully implemented. In the same period, the transition from the southern capital, Nanjing, to the northern capital, Beijing was completed, and the Emperor now ruled from the latter. In the 24th year, further reforms were implemented, at negligable cost. The Emperor then decreed that trade needed further attention, so that Zheng He's journeys would eventually bear fruit.
Later, the order would be reversed again, as the emperor felt that sufficient progress had been made.
Infra 1 gained in 1420, minted to promote tax collectors everywhere, infra 2 gained in 1426, trade 2 in 1429

October of the 22nd year(1424) marked the beginning of what would prove a long and exhausting war, as various states and statelets near China's southern border united in a great invasion of China and Dai Viet. Vientiane, Ayutthaya, Taunga, Cambodia and Pegu declare war on China and Dai Viet
One by one, the statelets were forced to acknowledge Chinese supremacy, Vientiane fell in the 26th year, Cambodia two years later.

Meanwhile, violent suppression of minorities was the order of the day in the south, as it was feared these minorities might support the invaders. Innovativeness -1, conversions are (as missionaries became available) attempted in Sichuan and Yunnan

The 31st year of the Yongle Emperor marked further success, as Pegu was incorporated into the empire of China. Taungu was forced, a year later, to surrender Lampang and Shan, as their "emperor" refused to pay tribute to China, as he considered his oaths to the king of Ayutthaya more important. In the 36th year of the Yongle Emperor(1438), fourteen years after the start of the war, the king of Ayutthaya was the last to acknowledge Chinese supremacy, and pay tribute.

In the 34th year of his reign, the Yongle Emperor instructed his eunuchs, whom he considered more trustworthy than most of the imperial bureaucracy, on the specifics of his plans for China. Essentially fortifying his earlier decision to support Zheng He's expeditions. Even though his decision was a practical reality for years already, this caused significant upheaval among many classes, even so far as to warrant some slight adjustments later.
outward expansion in the decision after Zheng He's Journeys in 1436, which caused stability to plummet. +1 serfdom in 1439 (turning back some of the slider changes), after gaining infra 3 in 1440, invested in stability to stab 3, gained in '43, after that trade investment again. Again +1 serfdom in 1449

On the borders of China, meanwhile, great things also occured. Expeditions were launched to Taiwan in the 38th and 41st year of the Yongle Emperor, with the native population exterminated in the latter, and a small Chinese outpost established. In the same year, Vietnam was formally annexed into China and Taungu was finally made a vasal state after a short war. In the 46th year, Malacca was subdued, paying a tribute to China, and allowing a Chinese garrison in Perak. Vientiane was incorporated into China in the same year.

 

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Hey now, this sounds really interesting. I'll be following for sure. :)
 

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I wonder in how many years the gap is closed and india and persia will be ruled by either china or OE :) That's when te big wars will begin I hope :D
 

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Hmm brotherly love... ;) I wish my brothers would play eu2 or ck instead of Wolfenstein and DoW. :(
 

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Mr Me said:
Nice. I bet the chinese will win but you never know...

I hope I manage to pull it off, certainly. Tabriz and Isfahan have managed to turn Sunni allready :D
 

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Mr Me said:
Nice. I bet the chinese will win but you never know...

to be honest... I quite expect there to not really be a winner, although China looks to be the stronger of the two; I suspect the game might well live up to the name...
Indochina, Siberia and the Chagatai corridor all aren't really suited to maneuvering large armies around... Hence powerprojection won't be quite so easy as to make a winner..
Although, perhaps, fleets CAN make the difference. (avoiding the landwar alltogether :D)
 

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Skarion said:
I would bet on a Siberian war situation or through India.

I'll bet on both at the same time, eventually ;)

As to the second part of my AAR, that'll come tomorrow, we played a few years again :)
 

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Avernite said:
As to the second part of my AAR, that'll come tomorrow, we played a few years again :)

Same here... though it was more blundering than playing :eek:o

...someone forgot to remind me that those Manchu and Japanese can field ridiculously large armies.... add some revoltrisk events, political crises... and China turns into a mess.. especially indochina :eek:
 

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This sounds like a good AAr, but making only one monarch for the whole game will not be so funny. The same thing could be said about China without RR events... That would be so good to see. :)
 

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BurningEGO said:
This sounds like a good AAr, but making only one monarch for the whole game will not be so funny. The same thing could be said about China without RR events... That would be so good to see. :)

Well.... with a human neighbour aiming for your destruction... 20 (or so) % revolt risk is not an option :p (one war to kill all armies, and then just watch the rebels take over)
 

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Good idea for an AAR. Could turn into something of a slugfest I imagine.
 

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Very interesting so far. Both of you are consolidating well and the eventual match-up(s) should be great fun to watch!