Netherlands .. theocracy ahhh

[ringworm]

been playing long and hard and have formed Netherlands from Utrecht.. and Netherlands has inherited the government type theocracy .

Stupidly I assumed Netherlands would have its own government but no.. is there anyway to get Netherlands as a merchant republic as I guess that's what they should be
?

 

[slv]

Wait for an event which allows you to switch to Dutch republic. It will fire soon, has MTTH of a year or so.

Having Merchant republic Netherlands is hard. Sure, you can form Netherlands with Hansa, but then the event mentioned above changes your government form either to Dutch republic or Admin. republic or Absolute monarchy. You can't keep the merchant republic.

 

[atwix]

err, afaik you can still switch to merhant republic after the event, if you are small enough and have the right idea groups?? Just use vassals feeding to stay small? I don't know how the mecahnic works now, my hansa netherlands game is several patches ago.

 

[hashinshin]

In other words: Please buff theocracies. At least give them a late game theocracy government with some -automany

 

[Galu]

Well... I posted this a while ago, unfortunately it was hardly noticed : http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...theocracies-gov-types&p=18407367#post18407367

 

[atwix]

hardly on topic.

 

[Wildcat_PL]

Start as Hansa - stay small, under 19 provinces - feed your vassals the rest. Culture switch, form netherlands and wait for the event. Choose Admin Republic and later turn back to merchant republic. You will need full trade and economy ideas.

 

[atwix]

Start as Hansa - stay small, under 19 provinces - feed your vassals the rest. Culture switch, form netherlands and wait for the event. Choose Admin Republic and later turn back to merchant republic. You will need full trade and economy ideas.

thats exactly what i meant

 

[Aldon]

Start as Hansa - stay small, under 19 provinces - feed your vassals the rest. Culture switch, form netherlands and wait for the event. Choose Admin Republic and later turn back to merchant republic. You will need full trade and economy ideas.

Why switch to dutch cultere and form Netherland? Staying with hanseatic ideas seems much better for me, and dosn't requiered economic ideas?

 

[Freudia]

Why switch to dutch cultere and form Netherland? Staying with hanseatic ideas seems much better for me, and dosn't requiered economic ideas?

Hanseatic Netherlands is the best Netherlands, if your goal is to rake in the mad trade dosh. Lubeck Krantor decision and whatnot.

 

[Meridian235]

Hanseatic Netherlands is pretty awesome.

 

[Aldon]

Hanseatic Netherlands is the best Netherlands, if your goal is to rake in the mad trade dosh. Lubeck Krantor decision and whatnot.

I can see why to conquer north burgundy but why actually form netherlands with Hansa?

 

[slv]

I can see why to conquer north burgundy but why actually form netherlands with Hansa?

Better Ideas, no Dutch revolts. Also I like flag&color more. If you don't insist on being the merchant republic, you don't need trade and economic.

If you don't want to form Netherlands with Hansa than why form Netherlands at all? Hansa is just the easiest way of doing it (apart from implemented Burgundy "make it happen and I don't care why would that happen" cheat).

 

[Freudia]

Better Ideas, no Dutch revolts. Also I like flag&color more. If you don't insist on being the merchant republic, you don't need trade and economic.

If you don't want to form Netherlands with Hansa than why form Netherlands at all? Hansa is just the easiest way of doing it (apart from implemented Burgundy "make it happen and I don't care why would that happen" cheat).

Honestly, easiest way is Burgundy > Release & Play as Holland > Conquer Burgundy + Remaining Provinces. You spawn with 16 base tax and Dutch Ideas right off the bat deep within Burgundy and you have very strong alliance options (you can get both France and Austria as allies, and you have the same dynasty as Denmark so they're an option too). You're also located within an end node from day 1.

This is putting aside Burgundy's decision to reform into Netherlands, of course.

 

[slv]

Honestly, easiest way is Burgundy > Release & Play as Holland > Conquer Burgundy + Remaining Provinces. You spawn with 16 base tax and Dutch Ideas right off the bat deep within Burgundy and you have very strong alliance options (you can get both France and Austria as allies, and you have the same dynasty as Denmark so they're an option too). You're also located within an end node from day 1.

This is putting aside Burgundy's decision to reform into Netherlands, of course.

Early on Lubeck node is much richer, but you're right that Holland idea is nice. Will be hard for me since I don't own CoP, but I will definitely try it.

 

[Aldon]

... and you have very strong alliance options (you can get both France and Austria as allies, and you have the same dynasty as Denmark so they're an option too)....

Here i suggests Spain and Denmark, as France is most likly hating you once Burgundy is down.

 

[Freudia]

Early on Lubeck node is much richer, but you're right that Holland idea is nice. Will be hard for me since I don't own CoP, but I will definitely try it.

I think the reason I like starting already within the end node is because all of your conquests will improve your power within the node as soon as you acquire them, whereas conquering English Channel provinces doesn't really improve your power in the Lubeck node. Hansa has a very strong starting position, though, so it's a toss-up. They're both very strong options, in my opinion.

Here i suggests Spain and Denmark, as France is most likly hating you once Burgundy is down.

You could probably pull a Spain + Austria + Denmark alliance chain and dogpile Burgundy and France with that, honestly. Might try that sometime.

 

[atwix]

not doing alliance with austria at hanseatic netherlands start will give you ton of ae. Spain, austria and denmark would work. I'd suggest connecting your hansa provinces by gobbling up hre minors, and eat a way alogn coast to friesland, gelre ec, so all the danish armies got land way to burgundy and france even if austria isn't in the war.

I'd try to ally france until Burgundy is gone, and then ditch france as ally and ask england as ally (they probably won't accept, since they almost always have negative opinion province modifier for all flanders provinces) or vassalise scotland and feed them entire england.

Eating france is always fun, and focus on getting all champagne trade node provinces first.

 

[Aldon]

Another problem with hanseatic start is an early burgundian inheritage event, pulling Austria in your enemy list! Starting with Holland prevents the event to be fired.

 

[Esben_DRK]

You could probably pull a Spain + Austria + Denmark alliance chain and dogpile Burgundy and France with that, honestly. Might try that sometime.

I haven't tried the Hansa route, but with Burgundy and Burgundy->Netherlands, Spain is your best friend ever. I expect the issue with Hansa would be a distance modifier?
Word of advice: Be careful with Austria-Denmark, they tend to hate each other fairly early IME, and if it comes to blows then you have to pick.