Need serious help to cripple British India

[unmerged(17791)]

In my current game, Britain again declared war on China (Arrow incident thing) in 1856-ish. UK itself only fought for a year or two, then the peace deals by event happened. But for some reason IND single-handedly is still in the fight against China. And they are destroying China. After 5 or 6 years, they're knocking on the door of Beijing, and getting close to the Yellow Sea, Hong Kong, etc. Annexation looks like it's a possibility, given another couple of years maybe.

IND is at 0.3% exhaustion, because they are the son of Zeus, naturally. China is only at 2%, despite taking what can only be described as devastating losses in the field.

India does not seem to know when to quit. They must be going for annexation. I am not prepared to see IND annex CHI. Of course, IN the game, there's nothing I can do about it, because I don't have the required (infinity) infantry divisions, which I'd need to go toe-to-toe with India. It's my fault. I should have built an infinite number of divisions. Bad planning on my part. I apologize.

So here's the deal... even though I hate to edit the save file, that's apparently what it's going to take. What should I do? Edit India's war exhaustion to 90%? That's the only thing that's come to mind at the moment. If I do that, what else does it effect? See, I don't like to tinker with this kind of stuff, because you never know what it's entwined with, elsewhere.

I never use F12. Please give me a way to cripple India, force them to end the war, then I'll edit it back again once the war is over. I need something that won't screw up the save file's delicate intricacies. Just force India to stop the rampage, then everything's back to normal. Please be specific, on what to edit, and provide assurances that it's not going to screw up this great game I have going here. I just want India to GO HOME.

 

[Cinéad IV]

Who are you playing as?

 

[unmerged(84717)]

1) Press F12, type "neville"
2) Enter a Military Alliance with China
3) Sue British India for peace
4) WAR HAS ENDED

 

[unmerged(81390)]

UNLESS, he is playing Siam or Tibet or similarly country weaker then China

 

[unmerged(17791)]

Nobody in the game can make a dent on India. Joining the war is pointless. They've already taken most of China, so why would they suddenly "sue for peace" just because some 3rd nation wants to ride in and pretend he's a hero? I said I don't have enough divisions. And even if I did (which would take 1k years to build), I wouldn't send them into India just so we could redefine 'quagmire slaughter fest'.

I don't love China THAT much. I just don't want to see them annexed, which is what it looks like things are headed towards. Along with the exhaustion, I could give them an insanely high badboy value. Nah - I want it to end, not escalate.

I'm skeptical this Indian AI knows how to conclude peace deals. I'd rather crush his country from within, than see IND annex CHI. Bankruptcy, nonstop revolts on every province... I don't care. India is ridiculously strong, somehow has become unleashed, and is ruining my game's balance. So how do I do this...?

 

[unmerged(81390)]

Well, if you cheat, they would accept...

 

[unmerged(17791)]

Well, if you cheat, they would accept...

If I use the Neville cheat, wouldn't I still just be making a separate peace? Or since I'm proposing the alliance to China, I'd be the leader. But then, I'd be allied with China, so I'D be getting gang-banged any time some Chinaman gets fresh with an English lady in Hong Kong. I could break the alliance, but then there's the consequences of doing that (frustration, prestige, relations, blah blah). I want to keep my own nation's honor intact. This gets complicated. I just need some way to make India run to the peace table.

 

[Eärendil]

I think you should play on. I doubt that the AI India will be able to annex China, as it requires all provinces to be occupied at the same time. To do that they will have to deal with the large number of partisans that will rise up against them and they will also need to ferry troops to Taiwan to take those two provinces. What I think is likely to happen is that they will eventually settle peace for 6 or 7 Chinese provinces as they are each worth a lot of warscore.

The AI is good, no doubt, but not that good.

And about leader of the alliance, if you are ranked higher than China you will become the alliance leader. Edit: That goes for Revolutions only.

 

[OHgamer]

The root of the problem is that war exhaustion from colonial wars accumulates much much more slowly than for regular wars. And the Opium War, since it is a war against an unciv, is a colonial war.

If China is AI and ENG is AI, and you are playing VIP, there should have been an event that leads to the Treaty of Nanjing. Now, there is the off chance China AI will choose to fight on.

At the same time, there should have been an event for IND to make peace with CHI if ENG is no longer at war with them. So, unless IND reignited the war (which if you are playing 1.4 might be possible, as IIRC IND borders China directly, something we fixed by extending Burma's border northward though that may have been done for VIP:R 0.1)

In the end though, this could very well be a case where an F12 Hand of God intervention is needed. Save game, reload as IND or CHI, type neville, make peace, type neville again to get out of it, save and then reload as nation you are playing.

 

[orimazd]

If they actually annex, their badboy will be through the roof. They will also get a ton of rebellions, since China also can have nearly infinite divisions.

I say let it happen. It will be a good show.

 

[likk9922]

1) I genuinely doubt they can take Taiwan.
2) I don't think that they'll be able to handle the partisans to get to annexation.
3) If they manage to annex it, they'll be so bogged down by rebels it'll be crippling. It's hard enough for a human, having annexed China, to prevent the whole thing from turning black. :wacko:

 

[unmerged(17791)]

Taiwan. Yeah. Forgot to mention to you guys that I own that. I (Russia) annexed Tibet recently, and traded several of those provinces to get Tuva, Mongolia, their colony, plus all the provinces in that Kashgar state, except Kashgar itself (yet). Basically all of China's non-cores, including Formosa/Taiwan. Now I want the Amur watershed as scheduled, but the event can't fire since China is perpetually at war. Plus no doubt the soon-to-be MY people are probably dying in this senseless carnage. I rescued Mongolia, etc. as soon as I could.

Anyway, if need be, I guess I'll just temporarily "loan" China a land-locked province in some very remote, low populated place to save them from annexation.

Granted, if India does annex, I could probably get the Amur watershed plus MUCH more. I happen to have annexed all of what is now Pakistan, which is all cores of India. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, I think I'll just let that happen. But, I will edit the save, and give India an EVEN HIGHER level of badboy, something insane. 500-1000 maybe. -Just to make sure they thoroughly suffer the full consequences of their actions.

But for Pakistan, I bet India would give me very large parts of China. Hey maybe this is all a good thing! That's the name of the game with Victoria; take every situation, and figure out how to make it work in your favor.

 

[unmerged(81390)]

Hmm, this could call for a new tag, British China!

 

[likk9922]

COuld you go to war with China and split it with the Indians?

 

[unmerged(17791)]

COuld you go to war with China and split it with the Indians?

Theoretically I could probably snatch Manchuria and we'd finish the job. However, the bulk of my army is on the other side of the world getting ready to invade Scandinavia. Plus, for some reason all of the best Chinese troops are sitting in Manchuria, not fighting. Guards INF divisions, the 'such-and-such' Banner Army (can't remember the name of 'em). So, maybe I'll just let India go for broke and fight all those guys. Manchuria seems to be the last redoubt that China is holding up it's sleeve.

But I try to stick with my plans. It just turned 1862, and I've only just begun to greatly expand my military for my first major war of the game. Over the next few years, as planned, I'm going to get ready to attack Austria (which has done really well - better than I've ever seen, and is a military powerhouse), right when they're struggling against Prussia in 1866-67. I've done the Tsar of all Slavs, so I'm planning a massive pincer attack from Bosnia in the south, and from Poland, through Galacia in the north. I'm planning to encircle & occupy all of Hungary, then move into Austria itself. I should get a lot of their non-cores. But right now, my army just isn't ready for a major war against a million-man army way over in the Far East. Actually they must have more than a million. But yeah, I'm in a Germany 1937 situation with my army... not yet ready for a major campaign which I hadn't planned for. Over the next 5 years I'll be building a lot more divisions, and THEN I can start participating in some bloodbaths, fairly regularly, en route to world domination hopefully.

Btw, India was become the #1 military power in this war with China. They've been building divisions like crazy for years. #1 power, even compared to the vast prestigious UK navy, etc. I guess I'm going to ultimately NEED large areas of China, so I can someday taken them down.