Need help with WC attempt as Ming

[RadRussian]

https://imgur.com/a/NL8MR

Income is 410, Ottomans next at 110, France with 88. I have 2 vassals: Aragon and Timurids who will be integrated soon.

The most of Africa/Americas is my tributary and I milk them for points and manpower. Taking more land from Spain and UK will create giant coalitions, so I decided to finish with Muslim/Indian world first. I kinda ran out of targets so I started cancelling tributaries from Malaysia to slowly gobble them up.

Ideas: Exploration, Administrative, Expansion, Quantity. Should I drop Exploration for Influence now?

Am I on track? What should have I done by 1650, 1700?

edit: Also, should I try to force that event Court Country when age of absolutism hits? When should I start a golden age?

 

[Dominion]

Wait... Tributaries count as subjects for WC?

 

[PhoenixG]

https://imgur.com/a/NL8MR

Income is 410, Ottomans next at 110, France with 88. I have 2 vassals: Aragon and Timurids who will be integrated soon.

The most of Africa/Americas is my tributary and I milk them for points and manpower. Taking more land from Spain and UK will create giant coalitions, so I decided to finish with Muslim/Indian world first. I kinda ran out of targets so I started cancelling tributaries from Malaysia to slowly gobble them up.

Ideas: Exploration, Administrative, Expansion, Quantity. Should I drop Exploration for Influence now?

Am I on track? What should have I done by 1650, 1700?

edit: Also, should I try to force that event Court Country when age of absolutism hits? When should I start a golden age?

imo it's better to drop expansion. It's useless for WC. And yes as Ming you really need C&C to trigger your max absolutism isn't that good. The moment you trigger C&C is a good moment to use the golden age. iirc with C&C best outcome your max absolutism is 95.

 

[Larva]

I think he doesn't have MoH. Since there is no empire of china thingy on the lower right.

He does - and has 100 mandate

 

[PhoenixG]

He does - and has 100 mandate

yeah, my misstake. didn't scroll down the screen far enough.

 

[RadRussian]

Wait... Tributaries count as subjects for WC?

They don't. I just don't want coalitions forming this early.

 

[Dominion]

They don't. I just don't want coalitions forming this early.

AE is regional. You plant AE right in the middle of them instead of taking them out and eliminating coalition partners.

I know tributaries are broken right now, but you shouldn't get used to that kind of path.

Unless they don't fix them, in which case I'll rant for the next three patches about stupid design decisions again.

 

[PhoenixG]

imo you better start breaking down the number of tributaries. The longer you wait, the more often it become to be one big tag

 

[RadRussian]

https://imgur.com/a/KV0xx

Year 1681, I just unlocked Imperialism CB. All those are my tributaries, except for Naples and Burgundy. I was planning on eating the entire France/HRE and Americas first, then Ottomans/Persia, then North Africa/India and finish with Korea and Commonwealth. If I only care about WC, should I just vassalize everyone?

 

[PhoenixG]

https://imgur.com/a/KV0xx

Year 1681, I just unlocked Imperialism CB. All those are my tributaries, except for Naples and Burgundy. I was planning on eating the entire France/HRE and Americas first, then Ottomans/Persia, then North Africa/India and finish with Korea and Commonwealth. If I only care about WC, should I just vassalize everyone?

That is an option, but if you vassaliza colonizers. You'll set there colonies free instead inherit it. Although you have 45% RCC and one tag is very doable at this point.

 

[Vulkandrache]

You'll set there colonies free instead inherit it

Have you actually tried that?
Because that myth is still around.
Last time i checked vassalizing someone did exactly nothing with their CN.

 

[PhoenixG]

Have you actually tried that?
Because that myth is still around.
Last time i checked vassalizing someone did exactly nothing with their CN.

Huh.. I just check. When I vassalized someone, I got everything. Vassals and CN.

 

[RadRussian]

https://imgur.com/a/fpWKi

I know I need to go faster but how? I've been sitting on 100% of overexertion, my 8 vassals fed above 100. Do I have time?

 

[PhoenixG]

Hard to tell which of the subjects are vassals or tributaries.

 

[RadRussian]

Done. After era of aboslutism, game turns into rebel managing "whack-a-mole" simulator and truce rotating.

 

[GurenGaaze]

Question: is your Ming Empire stable? (less than 100 OE) You do have 26 years left of the game, meaning you would have a little bit of more time. I'm asking because I'm intrigued and kinda want to try it out myself (MAYBE change tag into Mughals or Yuan, as they have better WC ideas, unsure if how the pace should be done thou) When I tried a few monts ago, I had serously trouble having my mandate above 50.

 

[RadRussian]

Question: is your Ming Empire stable? (less than 100 OE) You do have 26 years left of the game, meaning you would have a little bit of more time. I'm asking because I'm intrigued and kinda want to try it out myself (MAYBE change tag into Mughals or Yuan, as they have better WC ideas, unsure if how the pace should be done thou) When I tried a few monts ago, I had serously trouble having my mandate above 50.

My strategy was to make everyone who accepts a tributary. That way you're free of coalitions practically speaking and have ton of monarch points. Here's how my game looked in 1557.

Never had trouble keeping my mandate at 100 until I started cancelling tributaries. Even then, one could create several vassals so you don't border big countries directly.

I passed final reform in 1507.

 

[atwix]

congratulations!