need help with forced annexation

[unmerged(88738)]

im playing as japan and i recently crushed korea in a war. i occupied all of their provinces and then tried to annex them - it wasnt possible. i thought the reason might have been the fact that manchu, their ally, was still at war with me so i started conquering their provinces. This wasn't much of a problem since they were at war with ming and only had 3 provinces left, but i was a bit disappointed to find out it didnt help me one bit: i cant annex manchu or korea. What do i need to do to make this happen?

And another question, what's the best way to improve my relations with ming? ive got a royal marriage an a trade agreement, but its only 40 or so now. Alliance is not possible. If i give them money the relationship only improves with about 7 points.

Thanks in advance!

 

[unmerged(88738)]

ah damnit - i found it in the manual, overlooked it at first. You HAVE to make them your vassal...crappy.

would still like an answer to the second question though

 

[StephenT]

You're pretty much doing all you can to make friends with Ming already. Do make sure that your religious tolerance slider for Ming's state religion is set all the way to maximum, since that does have an effect - but since you're Japan, I assume you've already done that anyway. You could try guaranteeing their independence too...

The effectiveness of gifts depends on your monarch's Diplomacy rating. If it's really low, it might be worth saving your money until a new king comes along. Even so, the best you can hope for from a single gift is usually +15 or +20, and sometimes you get +1. Making friends with a large nation is extremely expensive.

 

[jdrou]

ah damnit - i found it in the manual, overlooked it at first. You HAVE to make them your vassal...crappy.

Or take all their provinces except the capital and either vassalize or wait for the next war to annex them.

 

[spl]

Taking all the provinces but 1 is better since you are Japan and Japan never gets same religion stab hits

 

[Bad Nerd]

ah damnit - i found it in the manual, overlooked it at first. You HAVE to make them your vassal...crappy.

-Actually, you have that a little backwards, since you're confusing the 2 very different types of annexation.

In a WAR, you can only annex a country if they only had 1 province at the START of the war, and you are occupying that one. A nations consisting of 2 or more provinces can never be annexed in a single war. (With the exception of the native Americans).

-So to fully "Swallow" a country, you need at least 2 wars: 1 (-or more) to beat them down to just their last province, and 1 to beat their capital-province and annex it. Notice that this hurts you reputation quite a bit.

ALTERNATIVELY, you can beat the nation in a war, and then force them to become your vassal, or just improve relations enough to make them your vassal through diplomacy. Then 10 years later, if you have a relation of 190+ with them, you can suggest that they and all their lands become part of your nation. (This is what is called "Diplo-annexing")

 

[unmerged(88530)]

"The effectiveness of gifts depends on your monarch's Diplomacy rating. If it's really low, it might be worth saving your money until a new king comes along. Even so, the best you can hope for from a single gift is usually +15 or +20, and sometimes you get +1. Making friends with a large nation is extremely expensive." StephenT

I have gotten 38-44 on my relations by gifting them, only occasionally though.

 

[Bad Nerd]

-I know I've definitely seen up to +38-39 or so, on a single gift.

 

[Wizzington]

-I know I've definitely seen up to +38-39 or so, on a single gift.

+50 is max, 0 is min.

 

[unmerged(75884)]

Just take all the provinces but one wait five years and annex them that's the fastest way possible.

 

[jdrou]

+50 is max, 0 is min.

Are you sure there's a zero min? I know in EU2 a bad diplo monarch could actually hurt relations when attempting to improve them.

 

[Storey]

Are you sure there's a zero min? I know in EU2 a bad diplo monarch could actually hurt relations when attempting to improve them.

In EU3 I've never seen it hurt relations. Zero seems to be the lowest you can get.



Joe

 

[Wizzington]

Are you sure there's a zero min? I know in EU2 a bad diplo monarch could actually hurt relations when attempting to improve them.

You can't hurt relations with gifts, 0.0 is the minimum.

 

[Iso-A]

You can't hurt relations with gifts, 0.0 is the minimum.

Are you sure about this? I think I once got negative relation hit from gift, like -0,6. Not sure though.

 

[Wizzington]

Are you sure about this? I think I once got negative relation hit from gift, like -0,6. Not sure though.

99.9%. Are you sure it was in EU3?

 

[unmerged(13610)]

I often diplo annex and i have never seen a negative rep as a result of a gift.

You generally get those 30+ gains when your relation is already 189.....

 

[Bad Nerd]

I've been keeping an eye on these specifically since this thread was posted.

Highest so far has been +44.0
Lowest so far has been 0.0