Need help with decadence problem

[hannibal_barca]

I love playing as the muslims. Pretty much all I play. I started a game of Fatmids recently and I'm getting close to gaining the Arab Empire but Im a few provinces short. Lets just say that its a constant civil war going on. And if my Sovereign dies? Forget it, its like a 20 year war to survive if I'm lucky. But my decadence is sky high near 100 percent and i have so many decadent family members that tis pretty much out of the question to imprison all 20 of them or so. I try everything from the tournament, ramadan, etc. Still can't keep it below 75 and the threat of the Invasion is looming.

Is it pretty much a fore-gone conclusion that as a muslim your game will crash hard after a hundred years if you do not keep tight on all of ur family members?

 

[mudcrabmerchant]

Convert to Christianity and install yourself as the Miaphysite Pharoah of Egypt.

 

[hannibal_barca]

I play the Muslims for a reason, i like their culture over that of the Europeans in this game. Just seems they are severly handicapped in the political arena but i guess it would make sense historically

 

[Cuthuthulu]

Kill your entire family. You know you want to!

 

[Astanna]

Murder your council if they aren't arleady your dynasty, put your dynasty members in all the positions, put them to work in the risky jobs.
Two reasons for this: Risky jobs can lead to them dying... which is good.
Council members who have a job that they are currently doing also do not gain decadance; this should get you five dynasty members off.
For the rest, uh... Learn to like banishing people.

 

[kal56]

Is it pretty much a fore-gone conclusion that as a muslim your game will crash hard after a hundred years if you do not keep tight on all of ur family members?

Yeah you need to keep your family members down or busy. You can use mechanics like Ramadan to help but if you don't reign your family in it's going to be a long game. It's been awhile since I played a Muslim game but generally I took a little prestige hit if I could to avoid max wives or married those unlikely to have kids if I already had an heir. If I remember right you could give sons jobs on the council and it helped with their decadence while at the same time leaving them under your control so they didn't get married. For roleplaying reasons I didn't imprison all my family members but if they had negative traits and were high on decadence my good Muslim ruler didn't hesitate to arrest them.

 

[Isaios]

Filial murder is the way and the life. Well, not life for the murdered, but you get the drift. Just imprison and kill off any unwanted sons. Or brothers, uncles, cousins or random kinsmen.

So yes, without a tight grip on the dynasty, you're screwed in unpleasant ways. Though, from what I can see, keeping a male family member as a Councillor will remove the need for lands. So that should help a bit.

 

[hannibal_barca]

Is having 5 kingdoms under my name an invitation for constant plotting and civil wars?

 

[unmerged(362834)]

I like playing as a muslim ruler, too!

In one of my games, I faced a massive crusade for Sicily... I couldn't handle decadent relatives while pushing away crusaders, and my decadence sliped and got to 80% in very few years...

But when I won againt the crusaders, it droped to 0%...

Game mechanics do not reflect the real meaning of decandence : extravagance, court habits, women...

Since you can't expand borders indefinitely, the only way left to survive as a muslim ruler is... not landing your family members... which is gamey and disappointing...

In concrete terms, muslims rulers has no choice but to kill, jail or banish their own relatives...

Yeah! it's a gross misrepresentation... Historically, christian rulers were not any less blood-thirsty

To me, decadence mechanic needs a serious lifting... I've seen many threads discussing what could make it more interesting... but it's unlikely to see any serious suggestion implemented... new features have the priority...

 

[Faber81]

Go to holy wars, marry a couple of good wives and a couple of celibate ones. Less kids, less plotting and less decadence.
Imprison, banish, or kill all your relatives if you can...

 

[gornard]

You can and must avail of the ability to freely massacre all your brothers when you ascend to the throne. You can try and keep them in titles to keep decadence down, but i find that as you grow larger you will have to make close relatives very powerful in order to keep your family...austere? It doesn't sit well with me, i much prefer my Christian model of 1 county demesne dukes.

 

[bizkit]

a 1 month of thread necromancy,sorry!
I also have decadence issue which i can't solve with above solutions.
All the males which cause decadence raise,like %0.22,are all at other realms.I'm playing as Sultanate of Rum and all the siblings that is raising decadence are under control of Sultanate of Persia.
Since they are not in my realm,i just can't imprison them.Trying to assassinate 6-7 people with %25 chance is almost impossible.I try to invite them to court and kill them here , but they love their liege so much, they don't wanna come to my realm.
Trying to kill them with plot is also taking a loot of time and luck.
So i have any other chance to get rid of them?

 

[Battle bunny]

Not really. Try out CK2+ if you can't live with this problem. It pretty much is the other extremity, with decadence extremely easy to keep down if you know what to do, but at least you don't have to exterminate your family anymore. Of course, if you do so your current game is forfeit as it isn't savegame compatible.

 

[bizkit]

Not really. Try out CK2+ if you can't live with this problem. It pretty much is the other extremity, with decadence extremely easy to keep down if you know what to do, but at least you don't have to exterminate your family anymore. Of course, if you do so your current game is forfeit as it isn't savegame compatible.

Well it maybe should not be extremely easy to keep it down but at least , it should be a less decadence increase if the guy is in other realm and really in love with his liege.
I'll take a look at CK2+, guessing it's a mod.

 

[Battle bunny]

Well it maybe should not be extremely easy to keep it down but at least , it should be a less decadence increase if the guy is in other realm and really in love with his liege.
I'll take a look at CK2+, guessing it's a mod.

Yeah, it is (also known as CK2 Plus). The main feature is that decadence gain from family members is abolished, and only the highest-ranking member of the dynasty (i.e. usually you) affects dynastic decandence, with a few exceptions such as dynasty members getting a good place in the tournament. Decadence gain from random events is increased, not waging war for a long time also increases decadence and traits now fire decadence-increasing or -decreasing events more often.