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So long story short, i want to do some cheap upgrade for my pc for christmas.
I want to replace my processor or RAM and don't have money for both.
So please help me if you could with some advice on which is more important for Stellaris to get faster day tic and overall improved performance.
Your help is very much appreciated.
 

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We will need to know what you have now. DXDIAG is a program you run from a command prompt or the Windows start menu 'run' dialog box (or 'search programs' in Windows 7 or later). After running it will open a window and start collecting info with a progress bar in the lower-left corner. When it completes click the 'save all information' button and save it to a file then attach that file here.
 

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We will need to know what you have now. DXDIAG is a program you run from a command prompt or the Windows start menu 'run' dialog box (or 'search programs' in Windows 7 or later). After running it will open a window and start collecting info with a progress bar in the lower-left corner. When it completes click the 'save all information' button and save it to a file then attach that file here.

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Im not an expert, but processor looks as weakspot... yet i dont think that anything can help stellaris right now :(
 

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Im not an expert, but processor looks as weakspot... yet i dont think that anything can help stellaris right now :(
Yeah, right now performance is bad, but i'm sure it will get fixed in a couple of months. Before 2.2 i had no problems playing up to 2500.
Thanks for the help anyway!
 

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So long story short, i want to do some cheap upgrade for my pc for christmas.
I want to replace my processor or RAM and don't have money for both.
So please help me if you could with some advice on which is more important for Stellaris to get faster day tic and overall improved performance.
Your help is very much appreciated.

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I would suggest buying better RAM for sure. Your CPU seems a bit dated too.
Also having an SSD helps very much for any Paradox game. In general, fast CPU and RAM, and SSD make wonders for me
 

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I think CPU is more important, because I have 16GB RAM and one of the top SSD, samsung 970 pro 512GB, gtx 1070, but only an outdated core i5, so it's still very hard playing late game. Not much difference in 2.1 or 2.2.1 or 2.2.2.
 

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RAM is not that important. I recently made an upgrade from 8 to 16 Gigs and there was no difference.
Be beware though, upgrading RAM does not necessarily implies a motherboard upgrade, but a new CPU most probably will.

Stellaris is heavily CPU reliant. In the many threads discussing performance issues and multicore use most people seem to agree that max. clock is the most important thing. More cores won't help since important CPU threads are sequential anyway.

I would suggest to look for the max. cpu clock available for your money. This will probably lead to an Intel CPU, since the clock is generally higher than AMD CPUs. At least in high end CPUs. Which leads us to the ultimate question: How much money do you have available? We can help better if you will provide that information :)
 

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RAM is not that important. I recently made an upgrade from 8 to 16 Gigs and there was no difference.
Be beware though, upgrading RAM does not necessarily implies a motherboard upgrade, but a new CPU most probably will.

Stellaris is heavily CPU reliant. In the many threads discussing performance issues and multicore use most people seem to agree that max. clock is the most important thing. More cores won't help since important CPU threads are sequential anyway.

I would suggest to look for the max. cpu clock available for your money. This will probably lead to an Intel CPU, since the clock is generally higher than AMD CPUs. At least in high end CPUs. Which leads us to the ultimate question: How much money do you have available? We can help better if you will provide that information :)

Well right now i have intel core 2 quad q8200 installed, and i was thinking of buying smth like q9300 or q9550. With 775 socket it seems like my only option. Though i'm not sure if it will fit well with my P43 chipset or not.
 

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holy shit, that's a bunch of money...

As said, graphics is not the point for Stellaris. You don't even need 2000$, since graphics are normally the most expensive parts of a gamer PC.

Get an i7-9900k (beware, it's getting really warm, you should go for water cooling). 9700k should also be enough. Just look for highest possible boost clock, which should be around 5ghz.
RAM doesn't seem to be a problem, so stay on 16Gb.
Grafics whatever you like above gtx1060. If you want 4k resolution, more might be needed.
Go whatever size you need for an SSD, samsung evo970 for example. If you want to squeeze the last little bit, look for NVMe SSD. Tests suggest, that using the old SATA standard will not hinder you that much, though.

With 2000$ you could also start looking into server hardware for SSDs.
 

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Some things written here are incorrect, so trying to clarify, I'm IT student.
If only thing you care about is stellaris performance:

RAM:
4 GB may be enough, but I would recommend at least 8 GB to any windows 10 system. Stellaris doesn't benefit from more but nowadays 16 is "optimal" if you like to keep few things like browser with few tabs and game open at once.

GPU:
Anything around gtx1050 is pretty much enough for 1080p, as stellaris is not very demanding on gpu.
If you have higher resolutions, gtx 1060, 1070 may be more optimal.

CPU:
as some guys stated, stellaris is pretty much cpu-heavy simulation where majority of calculations happen at one thread. That means you want cpu with as much single threaded performance as you can afford -> intel processors are nobrainer choice here
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These are top processors on market, If you dont know what to do with money, buy i9 9900.
I would recommend i7 9700 as it is almost same but cca 130 dollars less.
Then there is i5 9600 which is best performance/cost ratio from high end cpus.
If you dont have much money, look for i3 or maybe some ryzen as those are cheaper, but you are losing performance here.

STORAGE:
While playing, SSD wont help with performance one bit, as someone incorrectly stated it will. Only thing SSD will help with, are loading times. While I would recommend SSD as system drive, it is absolutly not needed for stellaris if you dont mind waiting for game to load.
 

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This game does NOT need an SSD!!!!!!!! I don't have an SSD and my game runs like butter (I got some budget 700 gb drive)

There is nothing about this game that is hard drive heavy. Matter of fact, saves load so fast in this game, i'm impressed with the devs. Upgrading your drive just for this game would be a complete waste of money.

This game is all about CPU
 

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I have read a lot of comparisions for cpu and for almost every game, there is only about 1-3 fps gained between i9-9900 and i7-9700. Almost the same for 9700 compared to i5-9600.
 

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I have read a lot of comparisions for cpu and for almost every game, there is only about 1-3 fps gained between i9-9900 and i7-9700. Almost the same for 9700 compared to i5-9600.

Well, yes, but that is only true for casual fps games, where good multi threading is implemented and CPU is not the bottleneck of the system. These games are usually more demanding on GPU performance and that means that these benchmarks (probably done with same GPU and only switching CPUs) wont tell you much about difference in stellaris performance.

Usually, for gaming when you are on budget, beastly processor is not really important. You want as strong graphics card as you can get (usually big fps increase if you get one tier higher GPU), and then CPU that just wont slow it down. Anything more wont make that much of a difference, better CPU just feeds the data to GPU a bit faster.

Stellaris is whole another story. Thing is, if you have strong GPU, at the start of the game you could probably go over 100 fps pretty easily. Problem comes, when endgame comes. With stellaris, thing is that number of objects in game rapidly increases and as game becomes more and more computationally demanding, everything slows down. How fast it goes, depends on your CPU performance.

My wild guess would be that nobody cares about 240 fps (GPU) when one day goes for 5 seconds and everything lags like hell (CPU).