So I've created new Norse faith using Rite tenet, but for some reason this faith spawned with new religious head anyway, why?
Need help figuring out rite tenet
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i'm not really understanding the question. what were you expecting to happen?
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Well, isn't the point of the Rite tenet that you keep your current HoF when you found a new faith?
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Directly from the ingame description of the Rite tenet: New Faith keeps their old Head of Feath on creation
What should've happened: new faith should've kept the old Head of Faith, but instead got a new one.
Sounds like a bug to me.
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I read it to mean the new faith created from the faith with the rite tenet, so because asartu didn’t have the rite tenet, the new faith didn’t keep the old head of faith.
doesn't that only apply to a couple of religions? i don't think norse was one of them. have a look at the dev diary
If that's the case, then other faiths/religions need to be blocked from taking the tenet, since it doesn't do anything useful at that point.
It doesn't fit with how the tenet is described though, in game, or on the wiki.
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Provided you don’t meet certain red lines for your old Head of Faith, at the cost of a tenet slot, you can keep your old faith’s Head of Faith while converting.
i bet paganism is a red line but i might be wrong
i bet paganism is a red line but i might be wrong
The tenet has two effects:
Only the second effect is limited to Christian faiths, the first effect should apply to any religion with a HoF.
Otherwise it would be a completely useless tenet with no effects. Keeping your old HoF is the whole point of it.
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According to tenet characteristics in game files, more extremist faiths (that have tenets, such as cannibalism, gruesome festivals or incst doctrine) should preserve these tenets/doctrines in offshoot rite faiths to work properly.
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I'm trying to understand if the Rite tenet is a tenet that you need to opt into as part of your new faith which preserves your old HoF, or if it's a tenet which automatically affects all offshoot faiths from the faith which has Rite by granting them their HoF (provided that the offshoot faiths are similar enough).
Honestly, if it's the second option, I'll cream my pants. It will finally encourage reformation without penalizing the "child faith" but rather be an investment from the "parent faith."
Honestly, if it's the second option, I'll cream my pants. It will finally encourage reformation without penalizing the "child faith" but rather be an investment from the "parent faith."
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It makes me wonder if the Rite tenet should actually be restricted to faiths that already start with it (a bit like the Mystical Ancestors cultural tradition).
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It's the former.
Playing as Mozarab, I start with this tenet. Catholicism, obviously, doesn't have this tenet. The effect is that Mozarabism has the Catholic Pope as HoF. Same with Insular Christianity, they also have the Rite tenet and therefore the Pope as HoF.
There's a special decision for Mozarabs to permanently bind the faith to the Catholic HoF or to break away from Rome. Both will replace the Rite tenet, but you keep the Pope as HoF if you take the former.
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Can I just point out that you don't need the Rite tenet to share a HoF. Example: Conversos have the Pope but don't have the tenet.
All the tenet really does is make it so that if you create a new faith based on the starting faith with the Rite tenet, that new faith also keeps the starting faith's HoF.
Honestly, it seems like a waste of a tenet in almost any instance - you only get three after all.
If you ditched the Rite tenet as Insular, they'd still have the Pope... and they'd also have a better tenet.
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So just to finish the thought… Then when OP got rid of Blots, it probably barred the shared head of faith.
I think it is a bug, if you have 2 holy site, you will create a HoF after you adapt the HoF
tested with asatru after grant independent to those holy site, HoF shared.
and with catholicism after conquest 2 holy site, new HoF is created
btw, seems there is something not allow Blot to share HoF, as I dont think NOR of 2 same condition make sense.
EDIT:
diff from what the comment said,
seems it only blocks when new and old faith both have blot, but the new faith can have blot and share the HoF who does not.
and for cannibalism, add cannibalism blocks rite, but remove cannibalism wont
tested with asatru after grant independent to those holy site, HoF shared.
and with catholicism after conquest 2 holy site, new HoF is created
btw, seems there is something not allow Blot to share HoF, as I dont think NOR of 2 same condition make sense.
Code:
## Cannibals vs. non-cannibals of any kind.
custom_description = {
text = incompatible_tenet_shared_hof_cannibals_vs_non_cannibals
NOR = {
# Cannibal-you doesn't get why your non-cannibal HoF freaks out when you offer them a hand...
AND = {
flag:tenet_ritual_cannibalism = { is_in_list = selected_doctrines }
NOT = {
religious_head.faith = { has_doctrine = tenet_ritual_cannibalism }
}
}
# ... or cannibal-HoF thinks you need to chill the hell out whilst they eat this dude.
AND = {
flag:tenet_ritual_cannibalism = { is_in_list = selected_doctrines }
NOT = {
religious_head.faith = { has_doctrine = tenet_ritual_cannibalism }
}
}
}
}
# Some tenet/doctrine configurations are unilaterally exclusive.
## HumSac/GruFes are disliked by anyone who doesn't also actively believe in such.
custom_description = {
text = incompatible_tenet_shared_hof_world_vs_humsac_grufes
# Your HoF will not put up with your HumSackery if they don't also go in for it.
trigger_if = {
limit = {
OR = {
flag:tenet_gruesome_festivals = { is_in_list = selected_doctrines }
flag:tenet_human_sacrifice = { is_in_list = selected_doctrines }
}
}
NOR = {
religious_head.faith = { has_doctrine = tenet_gruesome_festivals }
religious_head.faith = { has_doctrine = tenet_human_sacrifice }
}
}
}diff from what the comment said,
seems it only blocks when new and old faith both have blot, but the new faith can have blot and share the HoF who does not.
and for cannibalism, add cannibalism blocks rite, but remove cannibalism wont
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Pretty sure this is a bug. I made a post about it when FOI game out. That or Rite is just VERY anti Human sacrifice which is er... a bit rude a lot of cultures and religions share love by cutting off heads. (Joke there.)
Question about Rite and Human Sacrifice
Yo sorry if i missed this in a Dev posted I did a quick search but point it out if i'm wrong or so on. Messing around with some of the new stuff, and was curious about just making a bunch of pagan cults with Rite for some of my Custom games i'm...
If i had to guess. Maybe they meant Rite to be Christen / Islam only and both those religions aren't big on the whole... Well you know
Maybe make a bug report. Never done it myself, i just tell one of my buddies to do it for all the bugs i find.
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From all the comments the obvious Idea is that new asatru faith should also have sacrifice tenet.
I kinda tricked the game by initially taking some random tenet instead of sacrifice in faith creation window and then changing it to rite tenet.
But choosing rite directly instead of sacrifice is actually not possible
I kinda tricked the game by initially taking some random tenet instead of sacrifice in faith creation window and then changing it to rite tenet.
But choosing rite directly instead of sacrifice is actually not possible
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sacrifice won't cause it fail to share the HoF,
how do the game ensure it is just by prevent you take rite.
but the checking checks against all 3 without considering it is getting to be replaced.
and it blocks rite if both the new faith and the HoF has sacrifice.
so if the old HoF has sacrifice, new one can't have.
but if he doesn't, new faith can have it.
Does the faith creation screen give any feedback on whether or not the Head of Faith will be preserved? I know, for example, if you choose a Spiritual Head of Faith for your religion, it will tell you whether or not one will be created when the faith is created (this requires a holy site, I believe). Seems like it should, if it doesn't.
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