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I'm playing as Germany on n/n the 36 campaign.

I've made a mistake by annexing Luxembourg early in the game. The French didn't lift a finger because of that in 36, but they now DOW me on April 38 (they had a guarantee on Luxembourg). How can I edit the save game so that France looses its guarantee on Lux and can't DOW me unless my belligerence is high enough?

 

[Acheron]

An additional question from me, if you attack a nation on which another power has a gurantee, how long can that other power use its gurantee to DOW you???

 

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Five years. Basically half of the game.

 

[blue emu]

This isn't a very helpful answer... but just out of curiosity... why did you attack Luxembourgh? You have a core in that province... couldn't you just "Demand Territory" over and over again until they give in?

That would leave France with no pretext for war... they couldn't attack you.

Personally, I prefer to leave Luxembourgh alive until AFTER France falls... it is adjacent to Metz, and by taking it, you are now forced to defend FOUR border territories instead of three, while your army is busy in Poland. Capturing Luxembourgh just exposes the southern flank of your drive through Belgium... not worth it for a puny five IC's, in my view... you'll spend more than five IC's guarding the damn place until France falls.

It makes more sense to me to leave them alone... a neutral Luxembourgh defends your border more cheaply than a stack of Divisions does... and after all, Germany is not short of IC's in the early years, they are short of units. Why take on additional commitments, that will require more defensive units?

 

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I'm playing as Germany on n/n the 36 campaign.

I've made a mistake by annexing Luxembourg early in the game. The French didn't lift a finger because of that in 36, but they now DOW me on April 38 (they had a guarantee on Luxembourg). How can I edit the save game so that France looses its guarantee on Lux and can't DOW me unless my belligerence is high enough?

If I remember correctly, the guarantee only means their interventionist slider moved one, which means they can attack slightly earlier, you still have to have a high enough belligerence for them to attack. As for editing it so they don't have the guarantee, I think it is in one of the alliance listings early in the file.

An easier way to deal with this is to simply load up as france after you attack, and "freedom" there intervention back to the right one.

But why do all that, just kick their sorry butts, unless you aren't ready to take them, in which case, seems like they did exactly what they should be doing .

 

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If I remember correctly, the guarantee only means their interventionist slider moved one, which means they can attack slightly earlier, you still have to have a high enough belligerence for them to attack.

From 1.3 and forward, it moves two steps..

But you gain a "casus belli" (a just cause) to attack that other country for the next.. five (?).. years to be able to attack them without dissent hit (this does not apply to event-related DoWs)

 

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@Bowfling44 - guarantee means that they can DOW me without the belligerence prerequisite. EDIT: Dissent is still there for DOWing.

@blue emu - I realise my mistake now. Those 5 IC looked mighty appealing in 36... I guess that Hitler had egsact same thoughts in 45.

I'll keep on looking in the save game file, but it would be very helpful if somebody could point me to the exact location.

 

[blue emu]

Double-click on your saved game to open it in Notepad.

Use Edit > Find to search for : country = {
(spaced exactly like that)

The first search-hit will be England... hit Find Next to jump forwards to France.

Now Edit > Find : diplomacy = {

That takes you to all of France's diplomatic agreements, including Guarantees of Independance.

 

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There is no mention of LUX in the diplomacy section of France. Neither in the GER subsection of French diplomacy. Nothing in whole "country = { tag = GER" section either. I have tried to comment out the section wardates but it doesn't work. Any suggestions?

 

[AzJeff]

This isn't a very helpful answer... but just out of curiosity... why did you attack Luxembourgh? You have a core in that province... couldn't you just "Demand Territory" over and over again until they give in?

That would leave France with no pretext for war... they couldn't attack you.

Personally, I prefer to leave Luxembourgh alive until AFTER France falls... it is adjacent to Metz, and by taking it, you are now forced to defend FOUR border territories instead of three, while your army is busy in Poland. Capturing Luxembourgh just exposes the southern flank of your drive through Belgium... not worth it for a puny five IC's, in my view... you'll spend more than five IC's guarding the damn place until France falls.

It makes more sense to me to leave them alone... a neutral Luxembourgh defends your border more cheaply than a stack of Divisions does... and after all, Germany is not short of IC's in the early years, they are short of units. Why take on additional commitments, that will require more defensive units?

What he said.
I leave LUX alone until after I get Vichy.

And, AFAIK, the Guarantee gives the guarantor a dissent-free DOW, regardless of belligerance.

- j

 

[Acheron]

Other players recommend taking Lux in a '36 cmapaign asap, as its additional ICs add up over the years until the war starts.
Blue Emu points out the price you pay in a more aggressive France and in an additional border province. Still, it could be worthwhile, 5 ICs over three or four years are kinda juicy.

 

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@jrb001 - no, guarantee gives dissent but cirumvents the belligerence. Test it out yourself if you don't believe me.

@Acheron - 5IC definitely isn't worth of getting DOWed while you're not ready. I just finished my factories and was doing massive army builds. France got me by suprise. And what's even worse, I can't reload with reduced AI agresiveness since I'm about to DOW Hungary and I'm hoping that Italy will DOW me in response (I worsened our relations to -200 by constant offers of alliance).

 

[Acheron]

5 IC PER YEAR or so, that might make Luxembourg a bit more interesting. After all, it gets a German province, no partisans, 100% IC overtaken...
Of course, pissing of the French that early can be tricky. Oh you little sweet seductive Luxembourg...

 

[blue emu]

5 IC PER YEAR or so, that might make Luxembourg a bit more interesting. After all, it gets a German province, no partisans, 100% IC overtaken...
Of course, pissing of the French that early can be tricky. Oh you little sweet seductive Luxembourg...

Of course... the problem is that if the French declare war any time before March, 1939, you LOSE more IC's than you gained... since you would lose cores granted by events.

Remember, you are going to get the LUX IC's at 100% anyway... if France DoW's you before all your pre-war events finish firing, you will lose cores in Austria, Sudatenland, Bohemia and/or Memel (costing you thirty or so IC's permanently), as well as losing over a dozen Austrian divisions.

... not worth it, in my view.

 

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blue emu has a good point there. Taking 5IC for an early WW2 just isn't worth it. Especially if you haven't planned for this and built factories instead of units like me. It can give a nice history twist but you have to plan for it. For example, this way one could avoid the war with Poland and concentrate on the Allies who are weak and stand alone. But then you have to accept loosing a dozen cores which add much more IC and resources than Lux alone.

Anyway... If somebody doesn't point me to the right location in the save file, I'll have to start all over again. It's not a big deal, but I'd rather avoid repeating myself. Any help will be greatly appreciated.