NEED advise on Ideas fellow players :blush:

[Mamluke]

hello, Im in this Multilayer game with 15, soon to be 16 players! Playing as NOVGOROD RUSSIA, were in 1628, I´m at adm tech level 18. 22 and I can unlock my 6th Idea! but I am unsure on what Idea to take...

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Players
DanJonMin - Hungary
Vivalasget - England - GREAT Britain
Eddy Bravo - Bohemia
OvertSaturn - Spain
RickRoll - Portugal
ZarquonZ(rage quited) - Ottoman Empire
Ashurbanipal's Beard - Burgundy - Netherlands
Jorvikson - Poland - Japan
Patrick1811 - Morocco
Joe Bob - France
Toaae - Sweden
JUSTINtime - Austria
Jonas Daoud - Mamluks
Mr.Pink - Naples might be Persia
MAMLUKE - Novgorod - Russia
oforte1 - Ming

I have chosen TRADE(7)--»QUALITY(7)--»RELIGIOUS(5)--»EXPANSION(7)--»OFFENSIVE(2)--»?

MIL tech 17 // ADM tech 18 // DIP tech 13

Income 90-100 a moth(will get more in a decade)

Military Ledger, since I believe its relevant:

NATION/ ARMY/ FORCE LIMIT
MORROCO:/ 127K / 96

FRANCE / 122K / 132

SPAIN / 113K / 115

SWEDEN / 105K / 101

RUSSIA p) / 101K / 95

BOHEMIA / 100K / 91

HUNGARY / 93K / 91


I thought about choosing Plutocratic, the -10% tech cost is quite attractive, but the rest don´t fell that strong... I have 8 Merchant already (still Merchant RUP).

I also thought about defensive mostly bc of military drill! 25% morale is Stronk! campered to 10% morale of Plutocratic, the rest are quite good bonuses, yet I´m Unsure....

BUT what about quantity?!, offensive will get me the 25% increase in Force limit, and making the army cheaper could really be powerful in its own right but should I take it now?

I hope you guys and galls can help me out! any advise is appreciated, to those who whant more of an Inside story in this MP go here.

 

[Yenzen]

Go for Defensive or Quality. You're Russia, even if you were made from Novgorod, what you need isn't more troops - it's better troops. This holds even more true after you already got Offensive.

Plutocracy should have been taken as one of your first three ideas. It's a very strong set overall and I think you missed out on it, but it can't be helped now.

Just remember not to fall behind on military technology just to get ideas.

 

[Xeorm]

Well, assuming you're going for a military idea set, I'd go with defensive unless you want to be more belligerent in fighting foreign wars, if so take quantity. It's such an amazing idea set for being able to fight wars.

Really though, I'm surprised you took quality so early, especially when you can take plutocratic. But that's in the past.

 

[Mamluke]

I took quality primarily because of my neighbors "cough" Sweden "cough", and also because some neighbors back than outnumber me (Astrakan/Golden Horde), the AI took Trade(glad it did) Religious is a must, Expansion for Siberia, and etc.

I can see plutocratic being awesome.... early on but, some of the bonuses just don´t impress me, tolerance for heathens? I got like 10 Missionary strength! + 1 merchant? By 1500 I had like 7 merchants, all tough the 20% production efficiency looks good and all.

but yeah Defensive seams to be the better candidate now han?

 

[Thanik]

Defensive - nice bonus to morale (in 2 picked idea), and to help general Winter defeat any enemy who want to take third Rome!

 

[1alexey]

Why would you take trade in MP, as Novgorod?

Also shouldn`t Orthodox with maxed out patriarch authority be able to convert muslims?

Also, why did you not take Plutocracy and Administrative instead of Trade and Religious?

 

[The-King]

Why would you take trade in MP, as Novgorod?

Also shouldn`t Orthodox with maxed out patriarch authority be able to convert muslims?

Also, why did you not take Plutocracy and Administrative instead of Trade and Religious?

Pretty much this.

 

[Mamluke]

Why would you take trade in MP, as Novgorod?

this game started in 1405 (mod) and I only started to play in 1462 (3rd session) the AI had already pick trade, at first I dislike it, in the early game it as limited use, I agree but man when you get bigger the Idea is AWESOME!
the trade efficiency +10 trade steering, the 2 merchants and more trade power really do wonders!, in the Novgorod trade node I get like 89% modifier to trade power, even with Sweden getting 155 trade power from ships, I can actually match then just with the land I got!(+ i did build some trade post and such) and Now, I´m getting 35+ gold from trade, once I get full control of Samarkand node, than the trade game will be sweet!

Also shouldn`t Orthodox with maxed out patriarch authority be able to convert muslims?

it would have giving me +3 missionary strength, true, but getting it max takes time, and I didn´t wanted it full, because of the tax penalty, since my trade game wasn´t so good in the past, Religious gives me Deus volt, giving me more flexibility, in declaring wars, the +3 missionary(divine supremacy) + the bonuses of decisions, -25% for stability is useful, + 1 missionary, and all, I say it was worth the effort.

Also, why did you not take Plutocracy and Administrative instead of Trade and Religious?

reasons above and I took quality bc I wanted better troops(ei discipline), considering my neighbors. I took offensive to get the rest of 10% dis, +25% manpower and Force limit is good, not to mention force march!!!

you would have taking a different path?

 

[Mamluke]

game starts in Sunday, well defensive it is, I guess, since some world wars are about to came crashing down. I still feel I should take plutocratic but....