Hey all, I'm currently starting work on a little ancient history mod for Victoria 2, nothing major, just adding a group of ancient nations in to the game that can be formed by the player if they choose. What I need the most help with is the Scythians. I can't really find much info on them in the way of borders, government types, symbols that could be used on a flag, that kind of thing. If anyone could find some approximate borders for me that would be really helpful. I would also like to know whether they should be a Kingdom or an Empire and any kind of symbols that you guys can find would be helpful as well.
Need a little help with an ancient history mod
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So...judging by the lack of a response I am guessing that nobody is terribly interested in an ancient history mod for Victoria 2? My plan was to do a mod that would bring Victoria 2 from around the time of the Akkadian Empire all the way up to about 1300 AD. I already have the last 600 years worth of countries more or less done and I am gradually working my way backwards. If anyone wants screenshots I can post some. I will admit my plan for the mod was somewhat modest, just adding in more starting dates with all the different countries, cultures, and religions from that time, I wasn't planning on adding events but I was certain that it would get more interest than this.
I think more that you've asked too much, and that no one wants to commit such time to something. What's more, I don't know if we can be certain of what kinds of borders to give them, especially because for a tribe like the Scythians, you wouldn't have had borders in the modern sense. They were much more fluid and totally undocumented. I've found for modding that these sorts of little details are often left up to the creator, because people mostly care about the overall picture, rather than little details.
Not only that, but industry really only started after the Napoleonic Wars and Victoria II revolves around industry.
True, but since we're talking about alternative history mods there's no reason why the world couldn't industrialize sooner. In fact the main invention that begun the industrial era: the steam engine, was invented in Ancient Egypt during the Hellenistic era and there were even books about it in the Library of Alexandria before it burned down. Likewise these ancient civilizations had access to vital resources like iron, cotton, timber, etc, there's no practical reason for these ancient civilizations to not have industrialized long before the industrial revolution. What did actually stop them was simply a lack of necessity, since slaves were common place and human labor in general was extremely cheap, there was simply no need for machines to do the work of slaves/cheap laborers. Continuing on the alternative history path, if you start industrializing long before the actual industrial revolution, than resources like rubber and even oil would also have been discovered much sooner, arguably even faster than they have during the actual industrial revolution considering that back there were proportionally more scholars during those days than in the 19th century, so when the need arose, the research would have soon followed, just as it did during the industrial revolution, only with more and arguably even smarter people.
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Yeah spaceships before Jesus, I don't buy it. You say that there were books about it in Library of Alexandria, how can we know it if it burned down...?
I have serious doubts about that. They may theorize about that back in the Classical Era but there is no way that it was invented back then.
There was a prototype(as we now call it) of the steam engine by Hero of Alexandria, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile. The classical scientists never bothered to take it 1 step further and make it a practical machine, again because there was no need for it. Still, since they got that far there's nothing to say they couldn't go further if they wanted to, in fact I think it's very safe to assume that they could since the classical world is full of inventions ahead of their time that were only used much much later(during the modern era).
Even before 0 AD, as the year 0 was in the middle of the Roman era, we're talking about half a milenium before that.
Now, imagine how our world would have looked like today if the industrial revolution did in fact take place during the Hellenistic era rather than the 18th century.
We wouldn't be here as the T- Rex ate most humans preventing technological progress.Imagine how our world would have looked like today if dinosaurs survived