Naval Warfare Balance

[OnlyZen]

Hey guys, I've been away for a fair while and haven't been able to pay attention to whats being changed with the upcoming expansion. Just wondering if anyone can tell me if there is going to be a naval rework or some major balance changes any time soon regarding naval combat.

If you are unsure what I'm talking about I recommend watching this video delving into naval warfare mechanics.

Really blew my mind just how useless everything except for battleships and carriers are when trying to establish naval superiority.

Sorry if the video is outdated or if there are changes on the way, I have been without internet for a fair while now so this may have already been addressed.

 

[DicRoNero]

Can this video please get banned already?

 

[OnlyZen]

I'm assuming that it has popped up a few times before then? Sorry man I am new to the forums :S

Do you know if Paradox has said anything on the topic of navy recently?

 

[Alex_brunius]

Thats just the 20:th time that video gets posted or so

My quick points about video:
- It omitts land based air which can crush both CVs and BBs.
- It assumes you will always be able to withdraw BBs damaged to 5% hp and repair them for free, which is far from the case in actual combat ( Especially when we factor in portstrikes which are also ignored ).
- It does not study enough the case of a pure BB fleet vs mixed sub & surface ships where subs can hurt BBs without them firing back.
- You still need cheap small ships to get numbers for Naval Supremacy, 20 subs always running away from 10 BBs for example can prevent invasions for a fraction of their cost.

The naval combat is decently balanced overall such that bigger ships win vs smaller, but due to quick/free repair and torpedoes being weak ( which video correctly points out ) smaller ships like DDs and Subs don't counter pure BBs as well as they should.

 

[basun]

I'm assuming that it has popped up a few times before then? Sorry man I am new to the forums :S

Do you know if Paradox has said anything on the topic of navy recently?

A few times before.

They have, they have said for example that naval leaders will likely get the same treatment with OOB like land combat but in the future, when naval combat will be fleshed out. It is not the scope for the coming expansion.

 

[OnlyZen]

Thanks for the replies. You make some good points that are overlooked in the video, cheers for the information!

 

[Alex_brunius]

Do you know if Paradox has said anything on the topic of navy recently?

Yes. In fact they have.

This Development Diary from half a year ago outlines their future roadmap of things they would like to do:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-dev-diary-future-and-cornflakes.1040806/

This Development Diary from 2 weeks ago outlines a few UI improvements and bugfixes to Naval that will come in the next patch:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hoi4-dev-diary-naval-updates.1068689/

 

[Had a dad]

and with alex's answer we'll just close down this thread as there is the DD where you can ask further questions.