Naval Limits (Again) for 1.06C

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Just trying to get some confirmation on naval stacking and command penalties due to constantly evolving situation. Did what I could on my own, but, can anyone please comment on these points :wacko: -

Stack Penalty - Transports now do count?



Command Penalty (-2% for each ship over two) -

What are the COMMAND limits for each naval rank?

Transports do NOT count toward to command penalty?

Is there any upper cap like the -74% that applies to air?

Allied ships DO count against the command penalty?

Is the two ship limit hard coded or can we adjust it? I ran into a thread where one contributor claimed he had done so.

Thanks in advance.

 

[gzav]

This belongs in GD...

*moved

 

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What is GD...? If itis General Discussion, then I am already there.

Thanks.

 

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OK, I think I got it. Please Read Gzav.

Dear GZav,

By work at it I think I figured out what happened, namely that you encountered this post in the scenarios and modifications forum. Could you please confirm? If so, I apologize.

I intended to post in the General Discussion forum all along and can only assume that I goofed late at night. o

You will see that I have made a number of similar errors in the past week. This is mostly due to my learning to navigate the forum again after a long absence due to illness. :wacko:

I only ask that you have patience as I get familiar with the forum again.

I do have one question - "In this instance you were kind enough to tell me that you moved the post to GD. On the other hand, some other moves gave no indication where they were moved to! What is the best way to track down where the moderator put the post when he moved it?"

 

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Just trying to get some confirmation on naval stacking and command penalties due to constantly evolving situation. Did what I could on my own, but, can anyone please comment on these points :wacko: -

Stack Penalty - Transports now do count?

Command Penalty (-2% for each ship over two) -

What are the COMMAND limits for each naval rank?

Transports do NOT count toward to command penalty?

Is there any upper cap like the -74% that applies to air?

Allied ships DO count against the command penalty?

Is the two ship limit hard coded or can we adjust it? I ran into a thread where one contributor claimed he had done so.

Thanks in advance.

First of all, you seem to have the two penalties backward . The Command Penalty is the penalty you receive when a leader has to command more ships than his rank allows. This penalty = -25% for each ship over the limit. Commandlimits for the various ranks are 1 for a rearadmiral, 3 for a viceadmiral, 9 for an admiral and 12 for a grandadmiral. Grandadmirals do not double the capacity of navalunits. Transports do count towards this penalty.

The stackingpenalty is applied when there are more than 2 ships in a seazone to simulate the difficulties of commanding a large taskforce. Each unit over 2, except the transports will incur a penalty of -2% to all ships in the stack. AFAIK there is no cap to this penalty.

IIRC, Allied ships count towards both the stackingpenalty and the commandpenalty. I don't think that it can be modded. Stackingpenalties tend to be hardcoded and that is something that can't be modded.

I do have one question - "In this instance you were kind enough to tell me that you moved the post to GD. On the other hand, some other moves gave no indication where they were moved to! What is the best way to track down where the moderator put the post when he moved it?"

In stead of the original thread there is usually (if not always)a link in the original forum that directs you to the new location.

 

[gzav]

Don't worry, i know you're not used to the forum, which is why i didn't use my mod color when replying.

About the moved threads, to know where they were moved, just click on the redirect or i think you can access them directly in the User CP as you suscribed to these threads.

But anyways, we shouldn't be discussing this here, if you need help, don't hesitate to PM me or to post in the OT.

 

[jdrou]

I don't think that it can be modded. Stackingpenalties tend to be hardcoded and that is something that can't be modded.

Note that commandlimits and the penalties for exceeding them and the stackingpenalties CAN be modded in HoI2 (db\misc.txt).

 

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Thanks Guys, see if I got it?

First of all, you seem to have the two penalties backward . The Command Penalty is the penalty you receive when a leader has to command more ships than his rank allows. This penalty = -25% for each ship over the limit. Commandlimits for the various ranks are 1 for a rearadmiral, 3 for a viceadmiral, 9 for an admiral and 12 for a grandadmiral. Grandadmirals do not double the capacity of navalunits. Transports do count towards this penalty.

The stackingpenalty is applied when there are more than 2 ships in a seazone to simulate the difficulties of commanding a large taskforce. Each unit over 2, except the transports will incur a penalty of -2% to all ships in the stack. AFAIK there is no cap to this penalty.

IIRC, Allied ships count towards both the stackingpenalty and the commandpenalty. I don't think that it can be modded. Stackingpenalties tend to be hardcoded and that is something that can't be modded.
In stead of the original thread there is usually (if not always)a link in the original forum that directs you to the new location.

OK, so using the correct names as above -

The inclusion of transports NOW counts to the rank limit (command penalty). AFAIK there was some point at which they changed to where they did not count toward rank limits.

Unfortunately, I already knew the limits that are quoted above. I was asking if there is a limit to the number of ships that senior commander can command when a number of formations are in a given sea zone?(for each rank). Or, are the formation battles resolved separately?

Thanks in advance for your patience.

 

[Kanitatlan]

The stackingpenalty is applied when there are more than 2 ships in a seazone to simulate the difficulties of commanding a large taskforce. Each unit over 2, except the transports will incur a penalty of -2% to all ships in the stack. AFAIK there is no cap to this penalty.

There is a cap of -76% on this penalty (according to the patch readme)

 

[gzav]

66% actually

 

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OK, so using the correct names as above -

The inclusion of transports NOW counts to the rank limit (command penalty). AFAIK there was some point at which they changed to where they did not count toward rank limits.

Unfortunately, I already knew the limits that are quoted above. I was asking if there is a limit to the number of ships that senior commander can command when a number of formations are in a given sea zone?(for each rank). Or, are the formation battles resolved separately?

Thanks in advance for your patience.

I don't know if transports ever didn't count towards the commandlimit but I do know that they do now.

The limit of the total number of ships in a seazone is the same as the limit for a single stack. F.e. if you have a stack of 9 under a Grand admiral and a stack of 6 under an admiral in the same seazone, 3 of those units will receive the over command penalty, even though the stacksizes don't exceed the commandlimits individualy.

As in land and aircombat all units in combat in a certain province/seazone are in the same fight together although unlike land and air it is possible that ships may join that battle later or not at all because this also depends on detectioncapabilities and visibility. Allied units will join that battle as well and the highest ranking commander will assume control of the battle, so French units may find themselves under the command of a British fieldmarshal or grandadmiral. Command- and stackingpenalties are aplied the same way no matter what the mix is of own and allied units.

One thing to look out for are airstackingpenalties. Even in a mixed stack, the AI aircraft do not receive this penalty (not even when they are under Military Control hint, hint ), but your aircraft do. F.e. if a stack of your own fighters engage an enemy group of 4, no stackingpenalties are applied. The moment an (AI) stack of joins the fight, the stackingpenalty is applied to you but not o the AI aircraft.

Hope this helps.

 

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From above, "Each unit over 2, except the transports will incur a penalty of -2% to all ships in the stack".

So this means that the transports do NOT count to the ship count, but do have their efficiency lowered?

 

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From above, "Each unit over 2, except the transports will incur a penalty of -2% to all ships in the stack".

So this means that the transports do NOT count to the ship count, but do have their efficiency lowered?

IIRC they also don't have their efficiency lowered. But even if it does lower their efficiency it doesn't matter since they don't have attack and defence points anyway. Apart from an airattack of 0,5 which is, AFAIK, rounded down to 0.

 

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Thanks to All Who Contributed

Super job!! Many thanks!