I think in the context of natives it's hilarious how angry people get about "muh history" when the history is just looking at maps. Colonization in EU4 is vastly easier and faster than in real life, despite the lack of plagues. There are enormous swathes of the Americas and Oceania that were not meaningfully colonized by 1821-
Define colonised, eu4 has it as when 1k people lived somewhere. If you don't want places to be colonised by a certain date, just make it wasteland, or make colonisation harder, seperate factories from settlements. Making north america this densly populated land rather than numerous migratory settlements actually makes it easier to conquer, especially when confederations annex all their members into one blob
but they were painted a map colour by europeans so they need to be x culture christian totally conquered for muh history.
I'm guessing from your username you feel personally offended by such ideas. Having colonial nations try to religiously and culturally convert their land rather than just accepting nahua for 300 years would be good.
The game also still follows the civ-style tech tree where european development is the one true method.
I love this criticism of civ when as most know, the early tech tree of civ isnt even about Europe
Inca had better roads, agriculture, and taxation than contemporary Europe, but see, their weapons were bronze, so they must needs sit at admin 1 for a million years. For realism.
I know you're exaggerating for dramatic effect, your 3 agrees showing it worked but when you lack state centralisation, a writing system, and collapse quickly after conquest, you deserve to be low tech. Its funny that you complain about Civ upholding Europe as the model civilisation, but then repeat it yourself by comparing the Inca to Europe, rather than say India or China or Persia.
Inca need low tech to be conquered as fast as they were in history because eu4 doesn't have the mechanics to represent why they triumphed
It's ludicrous that in earlier parches the entire north american coast is dense with euros in 1530, that it gets fully overtaken at all, that Australia is regularly taken in the 1600s, etc etc.
There being no land to make settlements in the current patch is also ludicrous, especially when once non capital tribal land is settled, it can never become unsettled
The problem is the AI sucking- ie colonial nations should be way more enthusiastic to culture and religion convert, and attack natives. "Historically" though, a place like Florida was painted variously red, blue, and yellow but still somehow decades after EU4 ends the US was fighting wars there, and white people never settled the peninsula till freaking air conditioning. It's historical to have south and east Florida held by natives till the end of the game.
Does a rebellion mean its an independent tag there, or does it mean there should be rebels there? Is religious conversion followed by cultural conversion the true way to represent colonialism? Or is it the sending of a colonist?
This goes even more so in dense areas that held out against the plagues. Nahuatl, mayan, and quechua are all living languages today, y'all realize? They absolutely were not some broad perfect spanish catholic colony. Natives held real control in huge parts of the single blob euros called "Spanish Empire"
First off I love the idea that dense places held out against plagues, when they were the worst hit and so subsequently saw the most change early on. Sure New Spain wasn't densly populated from California to Panama with 100% pure 6'4 blond hair blue eyed asutrians, but the idea that it was some secret Aztec Empire where all the nobles still secretly waged flower wars and pulled out still beating hearts of Catholic priests is equally laughable. Nahautl and Mayan may still be languages today, but compare how many speakers they have compared to the total populations of Mexico and central America. It would take awhile for the privileges of the conquistadors to be undone and the leftover aztec nobility to be beneath penisular spaniards in the social hierarchy, but theres plenty of intermixing going on in the decades after conquest.
You can join me in asking for pops in eu5, but don't oversubscribe agency to a subjugated people
Colonialists should be way more aggressive in wars and conversion, there should be some plague mechanic, but for realism there should absolutely not be hordes of european christians in much of what is now colonial nation territory.
Having supply lines would be great across the world, timurid conquest of India would be harder, ottoman conquest of vienna would be harder, euros annexing giga native confederation would be harder. Protectorates should also be brought back as a dip slot free way to have native auxilia as well as make them survive rather than just be painted British Red like that
