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I just purchased AOD after being a long time, albeit not great, player of HOI2 DD. I jumped right in with a Nationalist Spain game. Due to the changes in the game, I find myself behind. I allied with Germany after the SCW and invaded and annexed Venezuela for their oil. It's now spring of 39' and my modified IC is currently 90 with an estimate of 95+ by the end of August. Here's the Dilema, due to the slower research and longer IC recovery time and cost from the SCW, I am only half way through researching 36 infantry (with blueprint). I don't believe I will be able to complete research of 39 infantry before the end of August (which I was hoping to do before I started upgrading and queing up a serial build or two), so should I start building and upgrading 36 infantry when I finish research or try to "stick it out" until I finish research of 39 infantry?
 

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Starting the research of 1936 Inf so late was an error. Germany will give you blue prints for 1939 Inf, but probably you will not finish the tech in time. Still you should be able to survive long enough and upgrade to Inf1939 shortly after Danzig or War. Please note that upgrading is now 80% more expensive than in Doomsday.
 

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I had a go as Republican Spain recently, I actually managed to survive the war but nowhere near the success of my French games. Basically cooped up in a level 10 Land Fort in Bilbao till around 43/44, when the Soviets started to get the better of Germany. Managed an amphib operation and to wipe out a few enemy divisions, recaptured most of France. Soviet union still got parts of Alsace-Lorraine and all of Benelux.
 

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I started over. This time around I'm building forts on the french border and researching infantry in plenty of time to upgrade before the outbreak of war. With the changes I can't IC whore like I could in hoi2 and upgrade everything at the last minute.
 

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This time around I'm building forts on the french border

Is that a good idea? Imo they tend to be a little expensive and your enemy might use them against you. Simply building more Inf1939-SpArt1938 would likely be preferable.

With the changes I can't IC whore like I could in hoi2 and upgrade everything at the last minute.

That is the way it is meant to be. And buiding Infra is quite important for ic, resources and ESE.
 

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I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but the French AI poured troops down to my border just as soon as war was declared before I restarted. I'm just looking to tie up as many French troops as possible to aid Germany. If I can shoot in with a fast division and disrupt their IC, I have a line to fall back to when they start to overwhelm my significantly smaller army.

Yes, Infra and IC are getting as much attention as I can give them building up to the war.
 

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Well, building forts on the french border saved me in bilboa, but I couldn't hold the other two border provinces. I do think the forts helped me wear them down enough to allow me to quickly take them back and hold them until Germany rolled in through the low countries. Verdict is still out.
 

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Not sure what manpower limitations Nationalist Spain has. How many divisions do you think you can build? Maybe it's best to build unbrigaded infantry, but it depends on your TC. I'd highly recommend building coastal forts unless the Axis has plans to invade the USA.
 

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Nation Spain has ~1000 manpower at its disposal. So tc wise unbrgaded inf is an option. Still i would prefer Inf-SpArt and later a few Mech-SpArt to utilize panzer leaders.
 

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Not sure what manpower limitations Nationalist Spain has. How many divisions do you think you can build? Maybe it's best to build unbrigaded infantry, but it depends on your TC. I'd highly recommend building coastal forts unless the Axis has plans to invade the USA.

Third time's a charm. I started over with a clearer set of goals leading into war and after. I will build up IC to be on par with Italy and churn out purely Infantry until atleast mid 1940.

My goal is to field somewhere around 75 divisions and focus on my navy.

*edit* - It's mid August 36' and the SCW is over. First order of business is joining the Axis for blueprints. I will build up my actualy IC to 65, which will put my modified at 100ish and nab me a 4th tech slot. I should achieve the factory count by the end of 38' and will start a long run of 39' infantry and interceptors no later than the start of 1939 as well as upgrade my exisiting forces. After my units have been upgraded, I will lay down 3-4 lvl 4 carriers and 4x that number of lvl 4 destroyers for screen. My immediate goal for the war is hold the french border and tie up forces to aid germany. After France falls (and they will), I will secure rares and metal from the Beligian Congo. Fromt here, we'll see what happens.
 
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The amount of tech teams you have is based on your base IC, not your effective IC. The 65 base IC will matter, not the 100 effective IC. But that would still be a strong Spain to play with, you'll have lots of opportunities and hopefully a lot of fun playing the country.
 

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I've played up until August 29 1939. Due to the randomness of the game and a different build order, I was only able to get my base IC up to 55 (last game I was at 64 at the outbreak of war, so I'm not sure where I went wrong). I do have some 39' infantry on the border and will complete my third interceptor by the end of the week. I have also built better than 20 AA installments to this point, creating a wall of AA accross my entire northern coast and eastern border which I will continue to build up indefinately. I puppeted Venezuela in Novemeber of 36', so I have a good supply of oil which I will use to supplement Italy and Germany's supply as needed. My biggest problem is my navy won't have carriers in service until 42' :(
 

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AA tends to be a waste of icd. Building more Interceptor is often more efficient. Playing Spain i would utilize german blueprints for landdoctrines, build some Inf-SpArt and lots of Infra. Carriers can wait till model 1941 and assembly line. Being a bit ungenerous in the early years tends to help a lot. Due to retooling it is more efficient to use few lines of high lenght both in units and factories. All privinces with 4 or more factiries should utilize 200% Infra.
 

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AA tends to be a waste of icd.
I wouldn't go that far. AA is very useful as a back-up should those interceptors fail in their defence. Especially against the US, which has manpower constraints, AA guns can be quite effective in either defending a province or even preventing that province getting bombed in the first place (due to the high casualties the USAAF would take bombing the territory).
 

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Yes, but the point if that AA becomes only useful if you are willing or forced to let many enemies enter your air space in the first place.
 

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I wouldn't go that far. AA is very useful as a back-up should those interceptors fail in their defence. Especially against the US, which has manpower constraints, AA guns can be quite effective in either defending a province or even preventing that province getting bombed in the first place (due to the high casualties the USAAF would take bombing the territory).

My location pretty much assures that I'll be targeted religously, so I need all the help I can get.

I am still building IC and will do so as I can until victory is assured or Madrid burns. I would like to build up Spain to 80+ base IC over the next 5 years, but that will depend on how things go.
 

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I haven't played as NS yet, but in my most recent game I got them into the Axis pre-Danzig and sent one Armeekorps of three '39 infantry and an extra single CAV to Spain in March of '39. I assumed MC in July and moved 80% of the Spanish army onto the French border and the rest around Gibraltar with the Germans. September 1, 1939 and the war started. Gibraltar was in Spanish hands by the 3rd and not only did I keep 20-30 French divisions tied down on the Spanish frontier, but I actually advanced a few times! On the down side, the Spanish overseas territories were lost with all of their defenders by January of 1940. I tried to keep them fighting, but the British and French went wild with invasions! Until I defeated France in May, Spain only held it's Continental lands and Gibraltar! However Spain committed dozens of divisions to the war in Afrika, Russia, France (and it's garrison) and Sealion in '44 has been their most recent involvement. They have a terribly outdated navy, but I used it to great effect supporting the war in the Med and tying down ships and invasion landings during Sealion! They have been a necessary force in all of these theaters. And that is just with MC!

Normal/Normal and with 90+ divisions and 180 manpower! They have recovered all of their lost territories with minimal to no Axis support and provided the first three, non-para, infantry units to land in England! With their own ships! So, without forts, infrastructure builds or a modern navy, they have cemented themselves as an equal to the likes of Italy! I give them blueprints for industry and units, but the reinforcing and building is all AI. They sent three sets of 3x lvl II FTR's which were cruicial to protecting Brest, Paris and the Bay of Biscay during the '42-'44 Allied Air Campaign over Europe! 2x Veteran armor divisions splicing through Soviet lines during the harsh Russian counter-attacks of the winter of '41-'42! Gosh. Franco really bailed us out! Thanks man!

I did see the Allies air and naval-air attack the Spanish port at La Coruna a few times, and, because Portugal was also in the Axis before the War, The Brits landed at Faro in mid-late '40, but were quickly driven back into the sea by Spanish reinforcements!
 

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Yes, but the point if that AA becomes only useful if you are willing or forced to let many enemies enter your air space in the first place.
As Germany it's pretty much inevitable you'll lose control of the skies (on multi-player anyway), AA guns are the way to go. This even more so applies to Nat Spain, which pretty much relies on Germany for a reasonable air defence. I suppose this doesn't apply in singe-player for one simply reason: AI.