Nationalist movements in HoI4

[JaffiMeister]

I think it would be interesting if nations that contain multiple different nationalities such as the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia or the British Empire could break up into a civil war or have regions secede if they have issues with unity.

For example, if the player was Czechoslovakia the event chain could be like this:

Below 15 Unity:
Slovakian radicals call for independence!
- Ignore them. (chance of loose unity)
- Convince the people otherwise. (loose political power, gain unity)
- [Non-democracy] Arrest these dangerous fifth-columnists! (gain unity, ruling party looses popularity)

Below 10 Unity:
Slovakian population supports independence!
- Perhaps we can change their minds. (loose political power, chance of gain unity)
- Who are we to argue?
- [Non-democracy] Find and arrest the ringleaders. (gain unity, ruling party looses popularity)
- [Non-democracy] Send in the troops to crush them! (enter a civil war with weak rebels)

Below 5 Unity:
Nationalist uprising in Slovakia!
- Recognise their independence. (gain unity)
- Fight against the rebels. (gain unity, enter a civil war with strong rebels)
- And not a moment too soon! (gain unity, switch to playing as the new emergent faction, AI decides from the other options)

[Non-democracy] actions can only be done by democracies if they are at war.

Of course, giving into nationalist demands could lower support for the ruling party and make a change of government appear more attractive.

 

[Caesar15]

How would unity ever get that low though?

 

[Axe99]

It's an interesting idea - I suspect it wouldn't be too hard to have events fire on NU thresholds for things like that happening (very wet thumb in the air guess mind, just one clueless HoI4 fan's guess), although given that HoI4 has a civil war mechanic, maybe there'd be a way to work it into that? Trick would be making it work fairly sensibly, in the context of the period.

 

[Loke]

Very interesting, I would like this option in the game.
In board games like advanced third reich and others there was options to liberate nations from USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and British Empire.

 

[GhostKiller01]

The chances of nationalist uprisings should get higher in cases of Civil War, as the nationalist movements would see the chaos as an opportunity to achieve independence. There should also be a higher chance for nationalism to rise in non-connected territories, such as India for the UK or Algeria for France, as they have no direct link to the "homeland". The use of certain CBs, such as "liberation", should also heighten the nationalism as troops from their area are sent to fight for the liberation of another people, and they would see that they themselves would like to be free. There should also be a certain multiplier from the region's past experience with the controlling nation, and there should be a lower chance of nationalism ~2 years after conquest as the opponents have been silenced when the new overlords came in.
According to what stated above, if the UK falls in a civil war, there should be a good chance that India secedes, as it had a bad recent history of abuse with the UK. Australia and NZ shouldn't secede that easily, as they have a pretty good autonomy a history, like Canada. The African Continent in terms of colonies should be more of a danger, with the potential of nations forming quite easily as they were abused a lot by their colonial masters.
Another variable should be how much of the "homeland" is conquered. In the case of the fall of France, Vichy France would have a lot of events of colonies wanting to secede as the central authority has beenmore or less disbanded and replaced.

 

[WarPie]

Who cares about slovakia? :/

 

[BBBD316]

I would assume that for the smaller countries there is going to be less chance for these as they are mostly just food for the majors.

It would be interesting in the case of Yugoslavia as when they have their coup to get out of the Axis then the Croats might decide to start a war.

For the Soviets I guess the issue is that those that didn't think themselves Russian were the first to get over run in the war, Ukraine, Baltic, etc. I suppose the turkic people may rise.

 

[Rudolf Hessbart]

That's why there should be "Cultures" like in Europa Universalis or For the Glory in the game. I wish they would at least give us the option so we can inplent it into a mod.

 

[Loke]

That's why there should be "Cultures" like in Europa Universalis or For the Glory in the game. I wish they would at least give us the option so we can inplent it into a mod.

Well, I think it will work just fine with historical 1900's borders to represent new/uprising nations... like Croatia, Ukraine and Belorussia and so on.

 

[Rudolf Hessbart]

@Loke Well, I think it will work just fine with historical 1900's borders to represent new/uprising nations... like Croatia, Ukraine and Belorussia and so on.
Well it shows the successful ones. The reason why there should be cultures is so you don't have to script new events for every nationalist uprising. And imagine if two countries have cores on a province. The culture should determine how the people react. Cores + same culture should be perfect. Cores + different culture should give a little penalty

Edit: It is especially important in occupied territories (e.g. Poland) German provinces shouldn't do partisan attacks.