Nationalism

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I would like to know how the nationalism point evoluate in the game. As France, I have annexed Mittle-Europa, and I find that some early annexed provinces are not nationalist anymore, while some other provinces remains at +3%. And as this value is (for my settings) the most important value guiding revolt, it would be interesting to know.
So: Is there any rule guiding the nationalism, or is it just time that reduces it ? (except the Netherlands special case)

Well, another question: how do I ethnically purify a native province ? I have tried to attack them, but after my first (won) battle, they were even more numerous than before. Any experienced purificator here ?

Thanks.

 

[BiB]

Nationalism starts at 3% and decreases with 1% every decade. Revolt risk can never be lower than the nationalism risk.

 

[unmerged(1047)]

As for knocking out native provinces, larger armies seem to do the trick, especially ones that contain one or more of the following:

- Some Cavalry

- Some Cannons

- A Conquistador (the little gold-helmet leader guys)

Also, on the nationalism thing - in the case of France, look at your CB shield provinces - these never express nationalism against you. There are a few outside your start-game borders to the north and east, as well as one to the south. That might be part of what you're seeing as well. (I'm specifically thinking of three provinces here - Lorraine, Alsace, and Franche Comte - which are considered part of the HRE, but which are also French CB provinces. So you may have conquered them, but they never had nationalism.) (The same goes for the four southern provinces of the Spanish Netherlands - Flandres, Hainaut, Artois and Luxembourg.)

 

[Sorcerer]

Originally posted by Kikine

Well, another question: how do I ethnically purify a native province ? I have tried to attack them, but after my first (won) battle, they were even more numerous than before. Any experienced purificator here ?

"Ethnically purify"? What an euphemism... But it can't be that they're more numerous, their number will drop with each battle, and it can't rise anymore (Except Nations in the rest of the world, of course).

 

[unmerged(6788)]

Originally posted by Kikine

Well, another question: how do I ethnically purify a native province ? I have tried to attack them, but after my first (won) battle, they were even more numerous than before. Any experienced purificator here ?

If you attack a native province and if you don't drop the native population (if you donn't finish them in the first attack you have to keep attacking them) to 0, after a while their number will grow...

Well, this brings me another question...
If you attack a native province and after a while their population grows, why doesn't the population of a native province grows "naturaly", even if they are not attacked...

 

[Orm]

Re: Re: Nationalism

Originally posted by Aranha


Well, this brings me another question...
If you attack a native province and after a while their population grows, why doesn't the population of a native province grows "naturaly", even if they are not attacked...

There has to be a limit to the growth of natives, otherwise you would run into enormous problems as a coloniser late in the game. Just imagine having to fight hundreds of thousands of natives...

 

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Re: Re: Re: Nationalism

Originally posted by beowulf


There has to be a limit to the growth of natives, otherwise you would run into enormous problems as a coloniser late in the game. Just imagine having to fight hundreds of thousands of natives...

Well, i supose that you can say that the natural resources in eache province and the level of development of the natives don't allow them to grow more than a certain number...

 

[Orm]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nationalism

Originally posted by Aranha


Well, i supose that you can say that the natural resources in eache province and the level of development of the natives don't allow them to grow more than a certain number...

Yup. If you're looking for justification, I'd say this one is as good as any.

 

[unmerged(7177)]

Where do you see the nationalism rating?

 

[unmerged(1047)]

If the province has revolt risk, hover your mouse over the number and it'll say where the risk is coming from. If there is any nationalism it will list it there.

Note that provinces that have your CB shield on them will never have nationalism against you. Most non-European provinces also will not have nationalism. (For instance, in a recent game I conquered Morocco and Algiers, and no nationalism.)

It also only appears for the first 30 years after the province is added to your country. (3% for the first 10, 2% for years 11-20, and 1% for years 21-30.)

 

[unmerged(7177)]

Okay, thank you

 

[unmerged(6881)]

What about "hidden" nationalism? I played Portugal and conquered Maroco. The provinces didn't have nationalism rating, but there was a line: nationalism started bla, bla, in save. I recognized that these provinces were more likely to riot when I've got low stability even if I had high tolerance for islam. Is there any chance to ceased this kind of nationalism? (without editing save of course ).

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by vilkouak
What about "hidden" nationalism? I played Portugal and conquered Maroco. The provinces didn't have nationalism rating, but there was a line: nationalism started bla, bla, in save. I recognized that these provinces were more likely to riot when I've got low stability even if I had high tolerance for islam. Is there any chance to ceased this kind of nationalism? (without editing save of course ).

There's no hidden nationalism

 

[unmerged(5314)]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nationalism

Originally posted by Aranha


Well, i supose that you can say that the natural resources in eache province and the level of development of the natives don't allow them to grow more than a certain number...

I believe the number of natives represents the size of their army, not the total number of natives in the province.

 

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It could represent the population as well- since when the army is wiped out there are supposedly NO NATIVES.

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Do you usually wipe out all the natives- are they usefull in any way?

 

[unmerged(5503)]

If the natives are alive the population of the town will then increase, this will mean more taxes etc.

 

[Orm]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nationalism

Originally posted by Alva


I believe the number of natives represents the size of their army, not the total number of natives in the province.

In game terms that makes absolutely no difference since the wives and families of the native warriors don't show up anywhere. But otherwise you're right, where's the sense in putting a trader in a province that is devoid of population?

 

[unmerged(5503)]

And be included when the colony become a town.

 

[unmerged(6881)]

Originally posted by BiB


There's no hidden nationalism

I know but can I eliminate that nationalism somehow or it will be last until the end of the game?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by vilkouak


I know but can I eliminate that nationalism somehow or it will be last until the end of the game?

Why would u ? That has no effect on the game whatsoever ...