National Ideas and Coring Costs

[SweetHalcyHS]

Dear Diary,

I conquered a province off Dai Viet.

I tried to happily core it as I always do and then I realized it costs 500 ADM.

... Er, is there any way to get rid of their tradition? Like, if I wipe them off the map, will their NIs disappear?

Foul language removed - Seelmeister

 

[Casiru]

If its their core culture then it will take a few hundred years to disappear. Release it as a vassal or feed it to one you already have then diplo annex them.

 

[yls3431]

Nope.
they mıst loose thier core otherwise u will always pay the extra coring cost

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Dear Diary,

I conquered a province off Dai Viet.

I tried to happily core it as I always do and then I realized it fucking costs 500 ADM.

... Er, is there any way to get rid of their rather... bullshit tradition? Like, if I wipe them off the map, will their NIs disappear?

Vassalize and them diploannex them. Then you won't have to spend any points on coring.

 

[unmerged(184583)]

deal with not having cores, Dow them again, annex them, release as vassal, integrate.

pretty sure even if you kill them off it would still cost the same adm points. Like said, just annex/release or just straight up vassal them, they usually stay small enough to do that in 1 war.

 

[unmerged(798670)]

Make them revoke their core is also an option, but conquer>Vassal is probably better for dai viet and its tiny tininess of a country.

 

[The-King]

If Hungary has cored a basetax 14 or above province and you conquer it from them, as a western nation it will be impossible for you to core with admin points.

 

[SweetHalcyHS]

To be clear, Dai Viet had somehow went on a conquering spree in Indochina so vassalisation is not possible. I do suppose I could release a vassal then feed it, however.

Still, it's pretty annoying when the only remaining option is just feed vassals more. Euugh.

Also, lol on the Hungary example.

 

[sinkingmist]

Make them revoke their core is also an option

From memory, can't make them revoke cores on own culture provinces, and can't change culture without core.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[SweetHalcyHS]

From memory, can't make them revoke cores on own culture provinces, and can't change culture without core.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You are indeed correct, hence my dilemma.

 

[unmerged(798670)]

I could have sworn I had demanded the revocation of french cores in a failed reconquest of them, oh well. If you don't like the vassal plan you can try to fully annex them and hope for the core loss bug?

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

I could have sworn I had demanded the revocation of french cores in a failed reconquest of them, oh well. If you don't like the vassal plan you can try to fully annex them and hope for the core loss bug?

France isn't one culture, you only can't make them revoke cores on Cosmopolitaine provinces, and England and Burgundy (one of which I assume you were) have mostly non-cosmopolitaine french cores in their possession.

Alternatively, it could have been in an early version of the game, since when it came out you could revoke cores on anything.

 

[unmerged(798670)]

it could have been in an early version of the game, since when it came out you could revoke cores on anything.

I'll leave my 1.1 crusade out of this thread, but I had forgotten/not noticed this change, and that does fully explain it. I remembered revoking france down to about a 3 province country, I think I was spain at the time, maybe austria.

 

[Incompetent]

Dear Diary,

I conquered a province off Dai Viet.

I tried to happily core it as I always do and then I realized it fucking costs 500 ADM.

... Er, is there any way to get rid of their rather... bullshit tradition? Like, if I wipe them off the map, will their NIs disappear?

No, you can't get rid of it by annexing the country - that would defeat its purpose. The reason Dai Viet has this tradition is to reflect the long Vietnamese history of intermittent Chinese domination which somehow never became permanent, for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Chinese_domination_(History_of_Vietnam)

 

[Varyar]

From memory, can't make them revoke cores on own culture provinces, and can't change culture without core.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought it was that you couldn't revoke cores on a province without other cores. I.e. a Dai Viet province only has a Dai Viet core, hence you can't revoke it. Might be wrong though.

 

[Varyar]

If Hungary has cored a basetax 14 or above province and you conquer it from them, as a western nation it will be impossible for you to core with admin points.

Better still; if Hungary also picked the Aristocracy idea tree and built the embassy, then you're stuck even with a basetax 10 province

 

[Schmoekoeksklok]

I guess when Hungary takes Ile de France, you're just going to have to vassal a subsaharan country and feed them a line of provinces leading there :d

 

[Xara]

If Hungary has cored a basetax 14 or above province and you conquer it from them, as a western nation it will be impossible for you to core with admin points.

You're forgetting about possible discounts

 

[Talq]

Its infuriating. Either the beta team were playing some weirdo game where overextension isn't a big deal (or admin points grow on trees) or people just stuck in that +50/100/200% coring costs as a 'this will waste an idea on making them annoying to conquer without actually buffing them, um tradition of resistance and all that'. If Paradox doesn't have a better method to handle nationalism than 'this province will cost more than an idea to core, haw haw haw' for 1.4, I do hope they have it for 1.5.

 

[Xara]

I don't mind a few areas being "uncorable wastelands" like Hungary and North Africa, but I really get ticked off at Local Nobility nations.