National Ideagroups - 9th October
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Not really. Engine optimizations or not, if we had 5000 or more tags I doubt anybody would enjoy attempting to run the game.
It's not like they were going to just give out the release date in such a convoluted way lol.
Any chance you've buffed the basic 'National Ideas' a bit, assuming there are still nations with those left after AoW? The numbers on most of those are half of what they should be.
Nice, looking forward to the rest, now I just have to find a way to become immortal so I can have enough free time to play every single nation in EUIV at least once...
This is awesome! 
Will there be new idea groups for cultures like the German and Italian ones?
Also is that a new flag for Provence?
Will there be new idea groups for cultures like the German and Italian ones?
Also is that a new flag for Provence?
I think there's a good chance of that happening. For the sake of contrast, I'll post own own Majapahit idea group here:
Code:
MAJ_ideas = {
start = {
relations_decay_of_me = 0.2
core_creation = -0.2
}
bonus = {
light_ship_power = 0.20
}
trigger = {
tag = MAJ
}
free = yes
maj_imperialism = {
vassal_income = 0.15
}
terracotta_production = {
production_efficiency = 0.1
}
candi_brick_mastery = {
build_cost = -0.1
}
maj_trade = {
global_trade_income_modifier = 0.15
}
piggy_banks = {
interest = -1
}
maj_naval = {
naval_morale = 0.2
}
restored_empire_maj = {
prestige = 1
}
}Oh and here's some more for SE Asia, since I've got them in front of me:
Code:
LXA_ideas = {
start = {
hostile_attrition = 0.5
leader_land_manuever = 1
}
bonus = {
land_morale = 0.15
}
free = yes
trigger = {
OR = {
tag = LXA
tag = VIE
tag = LUA
}
}
phra_lak_phra_lam = {
stability_cost_modifier = -0.15
}
chao_muang = {
core_creation = -0.25
}
300000_thai = {
global_manpower_modifier = 0.1
land_attrition = -0.20
}
emerald_buddha = {
religious_unity = 0.2
enemy_core_creation = 2.0
}
land_million_elephants = {
artillery_cost = -0.1
cavalry_cost = -0.20
}
shrines_and_monuments = {
build_cost = -0.1
}
learned_monks = {
idea_cost = -0.2
}
}
KHM_ideas = {
start = {
core_creation = -0.15
tolerance_own = 1
}
bonus = {
vassal_income = 0.25
}
free = yes
trigger = {
tag = KHM
}
staunch_theravada_buddhists = {
stability_cost_modifier = -0.15
tolerance_heretic = -1
}
restore_water_system = {
production_efficiency = 0.05
global_prov_trade_power_modifier = 0.05
}
rebuild_and_repair = {
build_cost = -0.10
}
resist_foreign_hegemony = {
global_regiment_recruit_speed = -0.25
}
reclaim_ankor = {
prestige = 1
}
patronise_medicine = {
reinforce_speed = 0.3
}
devaraja = {
legitimacy = 1
}
}
MLC_ideas = {
start = {
navy_tradition = 0.25
naval_morale = 0.25
}
bonus = {
global_trade_income_modifier = 0.15
}
trigger = {
tag = MLC
}
free = yes
mlc_foreign_trade = {
diplomatic_reputation = 2
tolerance_heathen = 1
}
mlc_resources = {
production_efficiency = 0.1
}
mlc_straits = {
global_prov_trade_power_modifier = 0.1
}
pandikars = {
discipline = 0.1
}
mlc_palace = {
prestige = 1
}
mlc_claimants = {
fabricate_claims_time = -0.33
}
mlc_tribute = {
vassal_income = 0.15
}
}
Please, for the love of God, give the Komnenoi in Trebizond some love... and a unique mission to retake Constantinople.
Problems:
1. Several values to high.
25% morale
10% discipline
Global Trade income 15%
2. Standard format is 2 Traditions, 1 ambition, 7 normal ideas, with one of these normal ideas having two bonuses, not several having 2+
3. Core cost doesn't go everywhere.
4. Localizations, localizations, localizations. They make or break the ideas.
I'll concede that 25% naval morale may be too high. Japan has 10% discipline, and both the Netherlands and Tuscany have +15% global trade income. Neither are considered overpowered. Also, these countries are all in the Chinese tech group, which is absolutely atrocious; I don't think these countries would become "overpowered" even if these values were all doubled.
I'm not interested in rigidly adhering to "standard format".
I think core creation cost is appropriate to the 3 nations I assigned it to.
Didn't post localisation because 1) Johan didn't post them either and 2) I didn't think anyone would care.
Just because Japan has 10% doesn't mean other nations do. What makes the most more reasonable to have such a high value?
The standard formula is like that for a reason. MIEOU and VeF follow the same pattern.
You're giving nations that weren't that historically important tier 1/2 strength individual NI's.
Again core cost needs to be supported.
awww your a cute little state! who wants to be a march? you do! you do!We aim to post a new national idea every day until the release.
Provence
Traditions
+10% Land Morale
+1 Diplomatic Reputation
- Memory of Angevin Claims : -20% Fabricate Claims Time
- Revive House of Anjou : +1 Legitimacy
- Composite Monarchy : -1 Unrest
- Tarascon Castle : +15% Defensiveness
- Public Weal : +2 Diplomatic Relations
- Touloun Dockyard: -5% Naval Maintainance & +10% Naval Forcelimit
- Provencal Quilting: +10% Production Efficiency
Ambition
+1 Prestige
Core creation should only go to nations that either expanded or lost a lot of territory (reclaiming it back).
Those are special, higher than normal values though, like the French/Prussian +20% morale bonus. I don't think any nation has more than one idea of that strength, and most have none.