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Ottomans: 33
Poland: 27

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

Even if they haven't the best military ideas core creation cost is the best idea. It can't compete. If Italy had been in this game, it would have won Italy.
 

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Ottomans: 31
Poland: 28

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
 

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Let's just compare them.

In the order they are gained:

  • Ottomans military: +5% discipline (tradition), +20% manpower recovery (second), +15% cavalry combat (third), +33% land forcelimits (ambition)
  • Poland military: +25% manpower, +10% infantry combat (third), +33% cavalry combat (fourth), +5% discipline (sixth), +15% land morale (seventh)
Here Poland has some edge: discipline bonus is the same, both get more manpower, Poland gets better cavalry, infantry and morale while Ottomans get more land forcelimits.
Should also be considered, though, that Ottomans get their military bonus sooner than Poland.


  • Ottomans economic: +10% national tax (fifth), +10% trade income (sixth), -10% ship costs (seventh)
  • Poland economic: -20% cavalry cost (tradition), +10% production efficiency (first), -10% regiment cost (fifth)
Here they seem well balanced: Poland's cavalry discount and Ottomans ship discount are on the weak side; Poland's regiment discount is good but production efficiency not as well, while Ottomans taxes and trade income are both decent.
Here too, consider that Poland's bonus are earlier than Ottomans.


  • Ottomans management: +3 tolerance heathens (tradition), -33% core cost and -15% accepted culture threshold (first), -10% cost WE reduction (fourth)
  • Poland management: -15% accepted culture threshold (tradition), -10% stability cost (second), +3 heretics tolerance (ambition)
Here Ottomans win hands down no matter how you look at it.


IMHO, Poland's set is slightly better economically, slightly better militarly IF every idea is unlocked, but much worse on the management side as soon as Ottomans unlock Millets (first idea). Ottomans win.
 

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Ball and kebab are playful and tasty.
Ottomans: 32 (+1)
Poland: 26 (-2)

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

None of these national ideas are the best in the game, but they are both amazing and I will take the frontload and administrative advantage over Polands stronger military. I am not going to give Poland the economic advantage per se. I think it is situational and not too bad for non-landlocked nations and decent trade nodes to have Ottoman ideas.
 

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Ottomans: 30
Poland: 27 (+1)

Dead:
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7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
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16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
1683 nevar forget 11 september best day of my live.
 

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Ottomans: 31 (+1)
Poland: 25 (-2)

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
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15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

Polandball cannot into space!
 

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Ottomans:32
Poland:23

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

Sorry,but MILLETS OP MILLETS OP MILLETS OP MILLETS OP!
 

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Ottomans:33
Poland:21

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

Sorry, Poland. Gotta go with the better Idea order.
 

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Poland: 22 (+1)
Ottomans: 31 (-2)

Polish Ideas are awesome indeed even if the coring cost reduction of the Ottomans is a hell of idea in CS
 

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Ottomans:32
Poland:20

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

Don't get me wrong, Poland deserves its spot at the top, but Ottomans are #1 for good reason. This is their game and their ideas show it.
 

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Ottomans: 33
Poland: 18

Dead:
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5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
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9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
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I just think that the Ottomans have better ideas all around. Sorry Poland :(
 

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Ottomans: 31
Poland: 19

Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
Despite the coring cost reduction, Poland has better military ideas and coring costs mean nothing if you cant hold the land you conquer
 

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Ottomans: 29
Poland: 20


Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
Poland has the second best mil ideas by a lot ottos are nice for blobbing but winged tanks are almost as fun as space marines
 
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solidprice

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Damm, i have a feeling Millets is going to be beaten to death soon with the nerf bat if they win lol.
 

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Wow both sides are mounting a valiant defense, Poland is down but not out, but it might be over before I can vote again tomorrow. What a show!
 

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Ottomans: 30
Poland: 18


Dead:
3. Brandenburg
4. France
5. Japan
6. Castile
7. Muscovy
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
 
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