National Idea Group Elimination

[FieldMedic]

France: 24
Ottomans:26
Castille: 23
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 37 (+1)
Japan: 14 (-2)

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

I've decided that we need to Poland into space.
As for Japan, well it's tough to down anyone but I'll go with them today because of the fort defense and the domestic trade perks.

 

[Baron Tanks]

France: 24
Ottomans: 27 + 1
Castille: 20 - 3
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 37
Japan: 14

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

I'm doing it, I'm running with the -3 as people seem to think it's a good idea. If someone is massively opposed, just edit my score back again.

I could state the reasons for my votes, but they have all been endlessly reiterated by now. Castille gets the short stick because I'm kind of done and bored of colonizing, but there are no truly bad idea sets left either way.

 

[Itchel]

France: 25+1
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 20
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 34 -3
Japan: 14

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

Big blue blob gets all the essentials and more...
Not really that fancy...

Thanks for the below who fixed my france which i forgot to bump up

 

[yerm]

edit - added the ninja above me.

France: 25
Ottomans:27
Castille: 19- 1
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 34
Japan: 15 +1

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy


What's all the rush? The idea group thread died so quickly once it was a few left. The less choices there are, the more the 2/1 swing starts to take effect. Count me as someone disagreeing with switching to -3/+1, as the last one became a complete sprint by the end and we don't need to hurry this one up even more so as we approach that point. I'm only going to downvote once, myself, to even it out. If you all want to -3 everything go nuts and I'll be the outlier I guess.

Down Castile, their position is perfect for European conquest and expansion up and east, yet their ideas are built around colonizing and converting the muslims, totally backwards. Meanwhile, in a vacuum, they're only good for a colonizer and lack the broad utility of Japan, which is good for ANY nation that wants a strong military immediately.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 17
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 34
Japan: 15

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

I'll support +1/-3 as well. It'll make it harder to defend my favorites, but so be it. Also @Krubukos forgot to move France to 25 when he upvoted it.
edit 2 - Also, I forgot to change Poland to 34.

We are in the fight between the strongest idea sets. Nothing remaining is weak in any way.
-The weakest idea sets to me are now Castile, Brandenburg, Poland, Japan. Castile is the weakest set just because of its colonization ideas taking up slots, and it's a really strong set! Brandenburg loses to me because the morale and combat ability bonuses come later.
-France's set is my favorite. The best stuff comes earliest in the list. You don't have to push monarch points into ideas so aggressively to benefit.

 

[yerm]

I'll support +1/-3 as well. It'll make it harder to defend my favorites, but so be it. Also @Krubukos forgot to move France to 25 when he upvoted it.

Yeah I did it when I edited. I believe we're correct with yours.

 

[Itchel]

France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 17
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 37
Japan: 15

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

I'll support +1/-3 as well. It'll make it harder to defend my favorites, but so be it. Also @Krubukos forgot to move France to 25 when he upvoted it.

We are in the fight between the strongest idea sets. Nothing remaining is weak in any way.
-The weakest idea sets to me are now Castile, Brandenburg, Poland, Japan. Castile is the weakest set just because of its colonization ideas taking up slots, and it's a really strong set! Brandenburg loses to me because the morale and combat ability bonuses come later.
-France's set is my favorite. The best stuff comes earliest in the list. You don't have to push monarch points into ideas so aggressively to benefit.

But that poland 37 though... nice sneak in but they really dont need it.

Man, I can't seem to get the counts right. Ninja posts are always coming in and screwing my numbers! edit - Previous post changed.

Well ok... sry didn't think i ninja'd both of you guys o.o

 

[Stolen Rutters]

But that poland 37 though... nice sneak in

Man, I can't seem to get the counts right. edit - My previous post is changed.

 

[FieldMedic]

Still better vote tallying then in Florida

 

[yerm]

Still better vote tallying then in Florida

Seriously, can we just discount all votes that don't correctly shade the colors of their choices, and then have only staunch nationalists tally the votes?

 

[Sarmatian]

This is silly. The rules have been set at the beginning. It is rude and unfair to change them now.

Very simple - You write who you upvote in green and who you downvote in red.

Upvote gets +1, downvote -2. It shouldn't be that hard. There are THREE freakin' rules. That's it. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Now someone should correct all those -3 votes, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Petrucci]

It's not fair for some of us to have -2 and other -3. Why would my today's down vote be counted as -2 and some other's as -3? I disagree. Maybe in next voting we could go for -3 but for this specific voting, we should stick with -2 and fix already made -3 votes.

 

[yerm]

I believe currently Castile and Poland are each down 1 more than they would be if everyone voted -2.

France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 18
Brandenburg: 28
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 35
Japan: 15

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

This, unless I messed up, reverts 2 votes of -3 for Castile and one -3 for Poland to only -2, and reverts my balance attempt -1 of Castile to a -2.

 

[Phibs]

While I am in favor of the -3 thingy, I don't think this should be done without OP's consent & a starting day should be set if it were to be adopted.
Also: color coding, 'tis not that hard!

 

[Oddb@ll]

France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 18
Brandenburg: 29 (+1)
Muscovy: 23
Poland: 33 (-2)
Japan: 15

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

My vote. Sticking to original rules. Next thread may have new rules, or if OP changes them. Show some courtesy!

 

[Stolen Rutters]

Seriously, can we just discount all votes that don't correctly shade the colors of their choices, and then have only staunch nationalists tally the votes?

Ha ha! I want to vote down Poland next, so my mistake went the wrong way.

Well ok... sry didn't think i ninja'd both of you guys o.o

No problem, it's all fun. I had to go in and edit it, saw France number didn't match, and promptly forgot to double check the rest of the values.

 

[Clausewitz_]

No -3. You cant change voting in the middle of a round. Maybe next time, but the last thread had over 50 pages of voting, and it only ran for 1 week at the very most. I dont expect dramatic differences with this one
France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 19
Brandenburg: 29
Muscovy: 21
Poland: 33
Japan: 15

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
Castile gives good military bonuses, great religious bonuses, and amazing colonial bonuses.
Muscovy still has great ideas, but a lack of economic and quality ideas lead to a situation where their quantity ideas cannot be put to full use

 

[Dunkoro]

France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 19
Brandenburg: 29
Muscovy: 21
Poland: 34
Japan: 13

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy

 

[radiatoren]

Todays votes:
France: 26
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 19
Brandenburg: 29
Muscovy: 22 (+1)
Poland: 34
Japan: 11 (-2)

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy
I expect to have to change both my upper and my downer soon.
Muscovys ideas are not particularly favourable for quality of army, which is a point for most others in the thread.
Japan lacks a strong synergy. Their single ideas are strong and some rather extreme, but there is no focus outside of stability.

Castille has some strong ideas in the beginning, but it tapers off and their religious synergies are weaker.
France are endowed with some very nice ideas all around, but the ideas lack a theme.
Poland has some spectacular quality and price militaristic synergy ideas. But I do not see them holding Brandenburg.
The most likely outcome would be Brandenburg just smoking the rest because of its very nice militaristic synergetic ideas.
But I predict Ottomans to win since they have the best single idea in the game, hands down and some other decent ideas.

Edit: Updated the numbers

 

[Pietbont]

France: 26 + 1 = 27
Ottomans: 27
Castille: 19 - 2 = 17
Brandenburg: 29
Muscovy: 22 (+1)
Poland: 34
Japan: 11

Dead:
8. Sweden
9. Teutonic Order
10. Austria
11. Netherlands
12. Byzantium
13. Papal States
14. Hungary
15. Ming
16. England
17. Portugal
18. Denmark
19. Burgundy