National decisions stays or goes?

[ParadogsGamer]

Hello everyone

If you change from ex. Austria to Prussia and again later to Germany, would the Austrian national decisions still be available later or will they disappear once I change to Prussian?
In other words, do you need to get the desired decisions before you change?

 

[Grubnessul]

You need to get them before you change tags

 

[enkhuush]

Yes, you need to get your desired decisions before you change.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

Thanks

And how do you identify decisions which are attached to a nation?
In the national decisions screen there are both generic and national specific decisions.

 

[unmerged(23193)]

...And how do you identify decisions which are attached to a nation?...

Unfortunately, you must go into the ..\decisions directory(or folder) to see country specific decisions. Fortunately, the country specific decisions are grouped in country specific files.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

Ok I went into the deep underworlds that are the game files and found out that Austria has 3 national decisions;
establish_habsburg_dominance
fugger_banks
hofkriegsrat
The latter requiring Land Tech 22. So after reaching Land Tech 22 and getting the hofkriegsrat, it would be time to change to Prussia for the following decision:
prussian_military_reforms
which requires Land Tech 30. After getting that you can change to Germany but it doesn't have any decisions! Just extra cores on ten different provinces.

Is this the path that one would usually take in forming Germany with Austria?

 

[ParadogsGamer]

In order to fully understand the decisions I need to know the following.
What are the definitions of
"dominant_culture"
"primary_culture"
Those terms are used in the files.

 

[unddu]

Primary culture is the culture that is considered to be the MAIN culture of your chosen nation. Most of your starting provinces will have this culture. This can be changed by a national decision which becomes available once you move your capitol to a province with a different culture than your primary one.

When provinces with one specific culture, provide more than 30% of your income, than that culture is considered dominant. This only applies to tax afaik, not to production.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

So there can be up to three dominant cultures at the same time?
Ex: Austrian 31%, Saxon 31%, Bavarian 31%, Chech 9%.
And as a consequence you can also have no dominant culture?

Also, to figure out the actual percentage, do you simply add the combined base tax of a culture and compare it to the total base tax?

 

[ParadogsGamer]

I have searched the game files and the definition of dominant culture seems to be hardcoded.
So basically nobody knows what determines a dominant culture but this seems to be consensus:
A culture will become dominant if the total base tax of the provinces of that culture which you also have a core on is big enough compared to the total base tax of all other provinces you have a core on. Some believe it need to be 30%, others believe it need to be the largest - which can range from 51% if you have only two cultures or any other percentage as long as it is the largest.

 

[unmerged(128725)]

I have searched the game files and the definition of dominant culture seems to be hardcoded.
So basically nobody knows what determines a dominant culture but this seems to be consensus:
A culture will become dominant if the total base tax of the provinces of that culture which you also have a core on is big enough compared to the total base tax of all other provinces you have a core on. Some believe it need to be 30%, others believe it need to be the largest - which can range from 51% if you have only two cultures or any other percentage as long as it is the largest.

I found it to be more difficult than that in (the first version of) my current game. Non core owned provinces play a role in it too, provided you play IN 3.2beta.

I am playing a Mecklemburg turned into the Netherlands.

On my first effort I took all and only the dutch provinces, then I got a bunch of other ones with the plan that I would switch to dutch culture AFTER the dutch provinces cored but BEFORE the other ones would. It simply did not work. I do not know the exact rule, but I suspect it has something to do with the "cultural make-up" of your nation as shown in the national statistics pie chart.

On my current run I am doing something original and clever, I hope.

I started as Mecklemburg and I conquered the dutch provinces, switched culture, formed the Netherlands. The reasons are two and both lead to trade power:
1) you start with a core on Lubeck and you get a core on Antwerpen, how does it feel to own the two biggest CoTs of Europe?
2) you can join the Hansa (hard coded into a fistful of blessed nations, Meck is in but no dutch is allowed) AND get the Netherlands 2 unique decisions which are mighty good for traders.

I then sold the dutch provinces to a handy vassal while keeping the flemish ones conquered in the mean time. Building workshops on all and only the pommeranian cultures (I conquered the missing two provinces a while back) I was able to switch back primary culture to Pommeranian!

Why? But because I can now form Prussia and Germany, of course! Yes, Prussia: normally people go through the "Saxon way", but the pommeranian way fits my strategy better. I want to build Germany by blocks: first a (superior) northern trade powerhouse created by the fusion of the old Hansa and the new dutch financial and colonial ventures, which wields the (superior) imperial title. Then a (superior) protestant force which turns into a military Great Power (or more fittingly, a Superior Power) and vanquishes the Hapsburgs, the Pope and France. Then the unification of all the (superior) lands of the old HRE into a (superior) German costitutional republic (you are protestant, have a nice bunch of global_trade_modifier boni, a rich land AND an event giving you cores and +1 base tax almost everywhere).

Sadly my plans got a bit scrambled in around 1450, when I got to lead a personal union with... France. Now it is 1490, I am Johan the first, king of the Netherlands (got the strategy), Holy Roman Emperor (got the german vassals), Papal controller (got the trade money) and King of France (got the luck).

I have oozes of manpower but I DON'T NEED IT, because something blue fights my wars for me, and everything it vanquishes is formally occupied by me. Today I am ALWAYS fighting a war, because otherwise France would insult me. I have been crusading against the Ottomans in order to be able to get some action for myself.

Still France managed to siege Achea. France got the "rule the seas" mission, so it built a killer fleet as big as Englands and can be found everywhere, now. I was shocked when I saw ALL France's coastal provinces building ships at the same time, and I checked what was going on.

Why the Ottomans? Well because of the crusading bonus (as the Papal controller, I called the thing) and mostly because I am a free trader and I want the Black Sea Trade event. So I conquered Bursa and Costantinople after the Ottos squashed Byz but before they moved the capital and I BUILT A COT in it. I am about to sell the province (with a CoT!) back hoping they move their capital in, so that I can finally conquer Edirne... it's fun

My money is spent in influencing Cardinals to clean my hands of the blood I must spill to keep France busy, and in gifts to France to keep relations up so that, some fateful day, I will inherit...
It would be sweeter if it happened after I formed Germany, but I wonder what will happen when I convert to Protestant!

I am wondering if I should make it into an AAR. Anyone interested?

 

[ParadogsGamer]

I found it to be more difficult than that in (the first version of) my current game. Non core owned provinces play a role in it too, provided you play IN 3.2beta.
[snip]
I am wondering if I should make it into an AAR. Anyone interested?

I just want to know the mechanism of how to change a dominant culture

I'm thinking it would require some serious testing.

 

[Fordus]

I just want to know the mechanism of how to change a dominant culture

I'm thinking it would require some serious testing.

Mechanism is quite simple, exact limits require some testing. Just conquer all provinces of particular culture, if this isn't enough to raise culture to dominant, start selling provinces with different culture. Starting from biggest culture.

If you want to change your nations culture, your capital has to be in different culture province and that different culture must be dominant.

 

[unmerged(128725)]

Mechanism is quite simple, exact limits require some testing. Just conquer all provinces of particular culture, if this isn't enough to raise culture to dominant, start selling provinces with different culture. Starting from biggest culture.

If you want to change your nations culture, your capital has to be in different culture province and that different culture must be dominant.

This. 1000 ducats and 3 stability to move capital, plus the "accept cultural shift" decision.

 

[ParadogsGamer]

This. 1000 ducats and 3 stability to move capital, plus the "accept cultural shift" decision.

And what exactly are you trying to point out?

 

[unmerged(128725)]

And what exactly are you trying to point out?

Is it not yet clear?
In order to change culture:

1) you need a majority of controlled provinces of the wanted culture (which must be accepted, I do not know if you need cores on all of it, and if/how province cores not controlled by you affect it. My old tenet was "more than 50% of base tax value from your core provinces shall come from the desired culture" but I am not certain anymore. Possibly it was changed in 3.2beta?)

2) you must move your capitol to a province of the desired culture. In order to do this, the province must be a core. It costs 1000 ducats and 3 (or 5?) stability.

3) after you move your capitol and climb up again to positive stability, you get the national decision "accept cultural shift". Take the decision and voilà, you changed primary culture.

If you change from Austrian to Saxon, you might want to move the capitol to Brandenburg. It is not required to change culture (any saxon province would do) but it IS required to enact "Prussian military reforms" later on.

 

[unmerged(69928)]

I am wondering if I should make it into an AAR. Anyone interested?

I think you just did...

Someone will read it. If it's decent, more of people will read it. Put alot of that strategy stuff with good example pics and I'd read it...

I do it to give the game a different view, keeps it interesting beyond clicking buttons and playing the same ol' same ol'. I also do it to have others be able to look at what I'm doing and make 'suggestions'... Usually beginning with 'why did you do that?'. It's cathartic in a way, a great way to relieve stress. Lastly it's the best way to share strategies like this one. Being able to see it in action allows it to make sense, at least to me.

Please to write AAR for strategy, yes?

T

 

[ParadogsGamer]

Is it not yet clear?

Not really.

1) you need a majority of controlled provinces of the wanted culture (which must be accepted, I do not know if you need cores on all of it, and if/how province cores not controlled by you affect it. My old tenet was "more than 50% of base tax value from your core provinces shall come from the desired culture" but I am not certain anymore. Possibly it was changed in 3.2beta?)

So we are back to "we don't really know".
You postulate that you need a majority of provinces, ie. with no regard to base tax. Did you test that out?
You don't know if cores on your own and other provinces play any part in it.
It doesn't seem that clear to me.

 

[unmerged(128725)]

Not really.

So we are back to "we don't really know".
You postulate that you need a majority of provinces, ie. with no regard to base tax. Did you test that out?
You don't know if cores on your own and other provinces play any part in it.
It doesn't seem that clear to me.

I don't postulate anything...

I used to think that the condition was:
"more than 50% of base tax value of core provinces"
but in my current game this appears not to be the case.

The number of provinces seems not play a critical role. In my current game I owned 3 flemish provinces (all except Brabant, cores on all three), a prussian province (Warmia, no core), a norvegian province (Rejkyavik, no core) and the four pommeranian provinces (cores on Lubeck and Meclemburg), plus I had a couple of cores on two dutch, non-owned provinces (Breda and Gelre). I was able to switch culture from Dutch (I sold the previously owned dutch provinces to a vassal - selling a province kills your core on it, too) to Pommeranian.

The non core provinces you own also appear to have a role, too. In a previous version of the game I owned a batch of non-core provinces which prevented a cultural switch.

What it IS clear is the current fashon: trial and error by selling provinces, as one poster in this thread suggested

EDIT: I used the word "majority" in my previous post in a wide sense, this was certainly unclear.

 

[iniudan]

How is it even possible to form Prussia from Austria without going into very deep gamy way ? Seem like a logical nightmare to me for would basicly have to go conquer quite a few territory of proper culture, get core on them, switch capital, switch religion to protestant, lose your Austrian possession, switch culture, conquer require territory and get core on them. God that sound like a freaking logistical nightmare.

Also add to that you will risk to be disliked by HRE province for that mad conquering so don't think you will be able to keep HRE crown without vassalising most voter.

To me a world conquer with that one province minor next to Incas sound easier. But still good luck in doing that.