National decisions disappearing

[peterphonic]

Hello,

I am playing with HTTT, with Georgia. I wanted to have some challenge and one of the main national decision for this contry is "westernize". So, i was playing with the goal to westernize my country, but after 40 years, i realized that the decisions had disappeared! Any idea why?

Thx,

 

[jdrou]

Playing 4.0 or the beta?
Do you have a neighbor in the Western tech group?

 

[peterphonic]

Hello,

I play with version 4.0.

My neighbors are Golden Horde, Ottoman, Kanmar, Jalaiyad. I don't think these are in western group. I had Genoa also, but now they are gone. Genoa had two provinces on the Black Sea, but Golden Horden took both of them. Genoa is in wetern tech group, but do you think that because they were my neighbor for a couples of years, they "westernized" my country?

Is there a way to know if i am in western tech group?

 

[Boris ze Spider]

ah that explains it, without a western tech group country next to you, the decision disappears, when Genoas provinces were conquered by GH, you lost your western neighbor.

 

[jdrou]

Is there a way to know if i am in western tech group?

The only way to identify tech groups in-game is by looking at the advisor page in the ledger. In the beta patch there is also an indicator of your own tech group and unit group in the country info window.

 

[Shanalya]

with Ottomans, I lost westernize as well (and it is not the first time)
I have the beta patch
Ottomans are at 85% for tech, and I have lots of border with Eastern countries (Poland...) who are at 90% if I remind well
But, I am in Empire and I am the first in land technology...
may be is it a reason?

 

[synyster31]

with Ottomans, I lost westernize as well (and it is not the first time)
I have the beta patch
Ottomans are at 85% for tech, and I have lots of border with Eastern countries (Poland...) who are at 90% if I remind well
But, I am in Empire and I am the first in land technology...
may be is it a reason?

No you need at least 1 neighbour province that is western/latin tech to westernise. I had this problem when playing as the OE, just as i was able to westernise, i lost my western neighbour (Portugal i think it was)

 

[sprites]

for the ottomans , this is easily solved : conquer some land that borders a western country
you have the holy war CB on pretty much all europe

 

[synyster31]

Yeah i got it back pretty easy, it was just annoyingly bad timing!

 

[unmerged(11600)]

Doesn't Westernization require ruler attribute as well? Lose any of the requirements and you lose the decision. DP sliders, neighbors, stability, or leader ability.

-Pat

 

[unmerged(136348)]

it does require but if you lose the neighbour it's not even listed in the decisions. While if you have a neighbour you get it grayed out if you don't meet the requirements.

 

[peterphonic]

Hello,

So, i worked really hard in my Georgia game to be able to conquer land next to western countries, and i still don't see the national decision, "westernized". Is it normal? I am wondering if my province need to be a core? Check the file in attachement. I im in blue and i juste conquered two provinces next to Austria.

Any idea?

Thx,

 

[sprites]

hmm ... you should at least see it ...
did you tried saving and reloading? solves problems sometimes

 

[unmerged(11600)]

Have you patched your game? In 4.0 there is an issue with Westernization.

-Pat

 

[sprites]

the issue is for muslim tech hroup nations , and Georgia is in eastern group

 

[jdrou]

Does it count as adjacent if the provinces are not land-connected to your capital? (Definitely doesn't require that the provinces be connected to the Western country's capital.)

 

[peterphonic]

hmm ... you should at least see it ...
did you tried saving and reloading? solves problems sometimes

Hello,

I confirmed that saving and reloading the game resolved the problem! Thx! Now, my king doesn't have 6 adm skill, and the heir either, but this is another problem =)