National Claims missing... (help needed)

[Generalisimo]

Re: My suggested Territorial Claims

Originally posted by draftwarmongers
Greece:
Cyprus, Macedonia (Skorpe) and two of the three Western Asia minor provinces of Turkey, for the Greeks expelled in 1920.
Turkey:
Cyprus, Thessolinka to represent all the Turks expelled in 1920s.
Possible Yeravan for Armenia. Also if HOI needs claims for aggressive players, I'd say all Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Saudia Arabia. After all the Ottoman empire had only left these areas 18 years before HOI starts.
Incidentally one of my great-great uncles is buried in Iraq having died fighting the Turks in WW1 at a place called Kut.

thanks, but if you can put it in "HoI provinces " it will be better (and i will have less work )

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Tibbons
I think both of Spains should have a claim on Gibraltar.

probably, but because nationalist spain always joins the axis, it will probably ruin the game, because the spanish will always try to conquer it . However it will be really hard because of the forts.
So, i will add it and i tell you what happened

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Maximilian I
look like a "mod" to me

not yet

 

[Generalisimo]

@to everyone:
well, i've been testing the "new" national claims yesterday night, and nothing weird happened.
Even Nationalist China put some pressure over Japan, when they were attacked. They advance in the north and throw the japs almost to korea!!!
but, they were crushed when the new reinforcements came...
but they last long!!! they were annexed by 1941
Germany attacked France and "vychied" ( ) it in late '40, they didn't ran like nuts for Colmar or Strassburg, they went through Belgium, encircled the frenchs in those two provinces, and later they crush them (they always do that, they never left troops behind them, so no Paris run until ALL the Maginot Line is taken, an AI fault ).
Hungary has received all Slovakia, so they produce more units, not a lot, some infantry divisions, but as always, they send them to Germany as EF.
so, by now, i have seen almost good results, no weird things

 

[Minodrin]

Is it possible to define events by goverment. For example if Finland got a Fascistic goverment (by a coup maybe) it could have an "Ansluss" event with Estonia (The Estonians are part of the same population group as the Finns). Maybe other Fascistic Anshluss events too?

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Minodrin
Is it possible to define events by goverment. For example if Finland got a Fascistic goverment (by a coup maybe) it could have an "Ansluss" event with Estonia (The Estonians are part of the same population group as the Finns). Maybe other Fascistic Anshluss events too?

yes, that's posible
you can even add the cities of Estonia (well, the city) as "core" provinces of Finland if the Finland government is fascist.

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by JouniL
Generalisimo:

I'm now at work, so I can't take much out from that map because I don't have the HoI map, but I will try to work out that on (at? in?) weekend.

For now, I know that Hungary should have territorial claims on Slovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romania, but I'll try to look more precisely on weekend.

Also Hungary lost in Treaty of Trianon (1920), some territory to Poland, but they maybe shouldn't have any territorial claims to Poland, because Ribbentrop actually called their foreign minister, after M-R pact, and asked if Hungary had any claims over Poland. Hungary said no, because they didn't want to take part in to war (yet). After That Germany asked could they use Kassa (Kosice) railway to attack Poland from south, but they refused, and said that they would blow up their bridges if germans would try to march trough Kassa. This could be good event.

When Tito was elected in Yugoslavia in 1943, he advanced territorial claims over Greek-Macedonia (Northern Greece).

Btw. here's some information about Indonesia:

http://www.gimonca.com/sejarah/sejarah07.html

There should maybe some manpower bonus or something when Japan invades indonesia, because indonesian supported japs in their attacks against Netherlands (before japs becomes using indonesians as forced labor. Then Japan could have industrial bonus, or more supplies )

Send me couple maps more, so I have something to do in weekend

i have already send you some maps today
thanks

about "Trianon": yes, i have read something about that, maybe it will be good to have national claims over there, but when the M-R pact appears, if it is signed, an event for Hungary appears if you would like to claim your provinces, if not, you loose your national claims (option A, so the AI always choose that ) or claim that provinces!! WAR!!!! (option B)
When germany has annexed Poland, and must select to honour the pact, if they honour it, hungary looses all the provinces that they have taken except the ones that they have national claims over; if Germany selects to not honour the pact, then Hungary keeps ALL the provinces they have capture, and WAR with the SU
which provice of Poland represents must they have claims on, in "HoI map terms" ?

EDITED:
i didn't read the first part of hungary...so :
"For now, I know that Hungary should have territorial claims on Slovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romania, but I'll try to look more precisely on weekend."
well, if you can gather more info about this it will be excellent, because i don't think it will be good to give national claims for Hungary over the entire Yugoslavia and Romania.
I already gave them all the provinces of Slovakia as national provinces.

 

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Originally posted by Aetius
Nationalist China claimed all of Mongolia and Tanna Tuva btw, this does not apply to Communist China

Come to think of it, Soviet Union should have claims on Tannu Tuva too...

They won't last long in such case... doh, they always only annoyed me

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by DarthMaur
Come to think of it, Soviet Union should have claims on Tannu Tuva too...

They won't last long in such case... doh, they always only annoyed me

i have already given national claims over tanu tuva... they keep asking for the province, until in 1941 T.T. accepted their demmands, so tanu tuva didn't exist anymore

 

[Aetius]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
i have already given national claims over tanu tuva... they keep asking for the province, until in 1941 T.T. accepted their demmands, so tanu tuva didn't exist anymore

Three years early but ok...

 

[Aetius]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
"For now, I know that Hungary should have territorial claims on Slovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romania, but I'll try to look more precisely on weekend."
well, if you can gather more info about this it will be excellent, because i don't think it will be good to give national claims for Hungary over the entire Yugoslavia and Romania.
I already gave them all the provinces of Slovakia as national provinces.

The Yugoslavian province is Novi Sad #741. The Romanian and Slovakian provinces are given by event to Hungary

Finland should have a claim on Petrozavodsk #804 (which is a part of Karelia).

Manchuria should have claims on non-Korean continental Japan.

More "dubious" claims are the Manchurian and Japanese claims on Soviet territory south of the Amur River. Mongolia could have claims on Hohhot #1548 and Baotou #1551 (i.e. Inner Mongolia), but this is only strictly true if it turns Fascist (if we assume that the pan-Mongolian movement under Prince De, sponsored by the Japanese, is the equivalent to Fascist Mongolia). The USSR could have claims on southern Sakhalin (#1832) and the two northern Kuriles #1841 and #1839. Russians were still living in these areas.

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Aetius
The Yugoslavian province is Novi Sad #741. The Romanian and Slovakian provinces are given by event to Hungary

Finland should have a claim on Petrozavodsk #804 (which is a part of Karelia).

Manchuria should have claims on non-Korean continental Japan.

More "dubious" claims are the Manchurian and Japanese claims on Soviet territory south of the Amur River. Mongolia could have claims on Hohhot #1548 and Baotou #1551 (i.e. Inner Mongolia), but this is only strictly true if it turns Fascist (if we assume that the pan-Mongolian movement under Prince De, sponsored by the Japanese, is the equivalent to Fascist Mongolia). The USSR could have claims on southern Sakhalin (#1832) and the two northern Kuriles #1841 and #1839. Russians were still living in these areas.

yes, those provinces are given to hungary by events, BUT they are not national provinces, so NO manpower from there to Hungary.
that's one of the more important reasons of adding ALL this national claims, with the current model of manpower, you do not gain manpower from provinces unless they are national provinces.

the problem with adding national claims to USSR is that they are too agressive, so they will be asking for it the entire game. Maybe i add them, and i tell you what happened.

 

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Generalisimo,
China should have a claim to all of Manchuria.

China should have a claim on Taiwan.

China has NO claim on Japan.

Korea should be considered a seperate country that has been conquered and annexed by Japan.

To this day, some of the Russo-Chinese border lands are in dispute, but I am not sure which. On the other hand, I am not sure if the scale of these disputes can be handled within the scope of this game.

Manchuria should be a COMPLETELY annexed country. Yes, it was a "puppet regime" but Japan controlled everything.

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Tenryu
Generalisimo,
China should have a claim to all of Manchuria.

China should have a claim on Taiwan.

China has NO claim on Japan.

Korea should be considered a seperate country that has been conquered and annexed by Japan.

To this day, some of the Russo-Chinese border lands are in dispute, but I am not sure which. On the other hand, I am not sure if the scale of these disputes can be handled within the scope of this game.

Manchuria should be a COMPLETELY annexed country. Yes, it was a "puppet regime" but Japan controlled everything.

thanks

i have already added claims over manchuria for China, also over taiwan.
The provinces of japan that i added to China was the ones in the north, up of the korean border, near manchuria. i thought they were chinese, not japanese

manchuria will be kept as a puppet regime in the original game, so i do not see why changing it
some people also said that Egypt should be introduce, but some other complain that UK controlled everything... so this will be discused until the end of time...

thanks for the info

 

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Originally posted by Generalisimo
thanks

i have already added claims over manchuria for China, also over taiwan.
The provinces of japan that i added to China was the ones in the north, up of the korean border, near manchuria. i thought they were chinese, not japanese

manchuria will be kept as a puppet regime in the original game, so i do not see why changing it
some people also said that Egypt should be introduce, but some other complain that UK controlled everything... so this will be discused until the end of time...

thanks for the info

Ok, Generalisimo, I think I misunderstood what you ment by Chinese claims on Japan. The provinces "owned" by Japan in Manchuria are not part of Japan.

Japan proper, in this period, 1936 until fall of Japan, should include the 4 main islands of Kyushu, Shikoku, Honshu, and Hokaido. Add to these the islands to the north of Hokkaido, Okinawa(Naha). Might as well toss in all the various Pacific islands they have.

Taiwan and Korea, on the otherhand, are more recent acquisitions/conquests of Dainippon. Korea has its own history as a kingdom/nation or sometimes several at the same time. Whereas, Taiwan was rarely firmly in the grip of any Chinese dynasty, often as not serving more as a realitively secure base for freebooters, smuggelers, pirates, {some Japanese}, and others to raid the Chinese coast.

Since Japan and the Japanese had a long history of involvement in both these areas, it seems reasonable, that for the purposes of this game they be considered part of Japan. While not absolutely correct, it works.

Personally, I don't believe that Japan should be able to raise any troops, other than militia outside the 4 main islands but since we are dealing with a game that allows annexation to permit troop placements anywhere probably the best we can do would be to make EVERYTHING north of Korea as part of the Manchurian puppet, if you want to keep it.

Still, at least for the sake of the Japanese AI, I would recommend doing away with the puppet. At least that's what I've done in my files.

On Eygpt, I really have no idea, lol!

 

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Yeah, unfortunatly the provinces in Eastern Europe are organized too wierd... because Hungary really had claims (and did claim) northern Slovenia, northern Croatia & the region north of Beograd called "Banat" but which is unrepresentable in the game... maybe "novi sad" will do. Also, Arad should be a part of the transylvanian claims for Hungary.

Im not infront of the game right now, but JAPAN surely had (and still has) claims on the northern part of that Soviet island... cant think of the name. But the one with a northern Russian and southern Japanese force... totally a Japanese claim on the northern part.

Some others I didnt see mentioned:

Greece should have claims on Istanbul (maybe if fascist only?)
Ireland on northern ireland (maybe its there... Im stoned)
Italy on Malta, Bastia & the French regions with Nice & Grenoble (which whereItalian until 1859)

Finland on all of Karelia.

 

[Aetius]

The Japanese controlled Darlian separate from Manchuria. Darlian was "a part of Japan" and Manchuria was nominally independent.
So in theory Manchuria should have control of the rest of Manchuria. But this causes problems in the game engine since the Japanese conquered China will be assigned to Manchuria.

 

[Generalisimo]

Well, finally I added all this to China & Commie China as national provinces:

·China / Commie China
+Manchukuo
1559 - Changchun
1667- Tonghua
1654 - Jixi
1661 - Harbin
1655 - Jiamusi
1660 - Hegang
1557 - Nenjiang
+Japan
1554 - Hailar
1555 - Oroqem Zizhiqi
1556 - Qiqihar
1627 - Linxi
1623 - Fuxin
1558 - Mukden
1561 - Dalian
+Taiwan
1716 - Taihoku
2004 - Takao

They remain under the original owner, i just added as national provinces, so, when they conquer it, they can gain manpower from there.
did i miss one?

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Kvlt 45
Yeah, unfortunatly the provinces in Eastern Europe are organized too wierd... because Hungary really had claims (and did claim) northern Slovenia, northern Croatia & the region north of Beograd called "Banat" but which is unrepresentable in the game... maybe "novi sad" will do. Also, Arad should be a part of the transylvanian claims for Hungary.

so, do i have to add Arad as a national province of Hungary?

 

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by Kvlt 45

Italy on Malta, Bastia & the French regions with Nice & Grenoble (which whereItalian until 1859)

Finland on all of Karelia.

if you can put them in "HoI provinces" terms i add them