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21oliver

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I fully understand small and/or weak military nations attempting to remain neutral. But there comes a point of naivety. The moment Germany invaded Poland, and the cooperation of the Soviets with Germany became known, common sense should have been to band together. Even if Belgium wasnt confident in France, they knew France & the UK would stick together, the Maginot line was in place as a deterrent and there was historical presidence for Germany to maneuver through the low countries to get to France. It quite possibly (probably) wouldnt have saved Belgium (or the Netherlands) but those were clearly blunders on both their parts.

I agree with Opanashc but there are two issues here. One is that no one wanted to go to war hence the French (and UK) allowed Germany to get away with alot. And Two once Poland was invaded War was declared, now there really was no reason not to ally with the the UK and France. Surely if Belgium had no faith in the Allies they had to know that in one way or another they would be a target, at somepoint. If they thought by allying it would have brought them into conflict fine, but did they think if they remained neutral and Germany defeats the Allies or even France that they now isolated would be allowed to remain neutral? Its amazing Switzerland was allowed to remain neutral tucked in between Germany and Italy as they were (there actually were discussions of taking Switzerland by both nations). Remaining quiet in the corner was a very bad strategy. Then again the Allies unwillingness to deal with the Soviets prior to German aggression was equally bad.
 

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The results of the same mistake happening to both Belgium and the US, staying on the sidelines for too long, became obvious after the war: UN is based in New York. Nato is based in Brussels.
Too bad other mistakes didn't end with lessons learned. Those 50 million victims deserved more.
 

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Man is inherently selfish. Poland didnt mind gobbling up a little czech spoils and was then surprised when Hitler turned to them...

Its one thing to be caught off guard, its another to be ignorant. When there is historical precedence, when patterns have been established (Hitler's lies), when an obvious course of action is taking place (Mein Kampf) its just mind boggling how paralyzed many leaders and nations still remained.

This is why i still stand firm in my convictions that Churchill was the key individual of WW2. He was the one domino that wouldnt fall and that prevented the war from taking a certain course. Without Churchill i have no doubt in my mind that the UK at some point sues for peace. I stand equally firm that this A) keeps the US out of the European war and B) France at some point, including Vichy would have ceased to exist.
 

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We are in total agreement where Churchill is concerned.