Nation Shall Rise Against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom

[Juan_de_Marco]

Thank you Golle. This gives a nice view on the politics behind the entire campaign of four games. I like that too in BB games, the scheming and plotting on PMs and MSN, but it is very unfortunate (for us peanuts) that the scheming of you guys remains hidden in the shadows (not even on Ederon boards, I believe?)
hehe attentionwhore. don't think that because we don't cheer for you, we don't love you.

 

[Gollevainen]

well Indeed.
How can you plot behind someone's back if he can read it himself in the pages of forums? And As a note I've felt that since the start of Vicky the level of plotting and scheming has decreased from what it was in CK/Eu3
Perhaps the idea of Immortals in the next campaing will allow the fans to be part of the plotting bit more

 

[Jakalo]

Nuclear war has begun.
And Finland died.
How badly?
Annexed completely by Japan?

You were the second one to post my update and yet you managed to miss that. No wonder your post count approaches 13,5k =]

 

[Enewald]

You were the second one to post my update and yet you managed to miss that. No wonder your post count approaches 13,5k =]

I saw that Finland got beaten badly in Siberia and enemy units rushing towards Moscow, nothing says about the annexation of Finland...

 

[Varyar]

[...]to Varyar's USIA, and I hope he wins this game as well.

Not bloody likely, but thanks

Nice summary of your game. I do remember all that time in CK I spent trying everything to make you backstab Fasquardon's Georgia, but never succeeded

 

[Varyar]

*facepalm*

Ah, so that's why Georgia fell, because you commited forcesto garrison 20 coastline provinces and not Tahiti?

Meh, not much common infantry (which I had back then) could do against Japanese aerial superiority.

Seriously - you don't have range to land in SA from Tahiti, that i am sure. So garrisoning western coastline now is utterly redundant (except for few divs in capital, just in case). But there are two islands between Tahiti and SA that can be used as a hopping point, so that was my point. To build defense line there and not on the continent. You know, garrisoning 2 provinces is easier than 20.

I do have a defensive line there, even if one of those garrisons starved to death before thanks to the damn convoy AI

 

[Gollevainen]

I saw that Finland got beaten badly in Siberia and enemy units rushing towards Moscow, nothing says about the annexation of Finland...

Its armies have been destroyed, its long time protector Georgia is 90% annexed and its players spirit and temper is broken and defeated. Thecnically I could still "play" the next session, but I have no heart to witness my beloved finland to die such horrible way when for long now I havent been able to do nothing to prevent it. I think Blayne migth take the ruins into his controll but Im not sure.

 

[Enewald]

Its armies have been destroyed, its long time protector Georgia is 90% annexed and its players spirit and temper is broken and defeated. Thecnically I could still "play" the next session, but I have no heart to witness my beloved finland to die such horrible way.

Son practically, you lost your sisu and were too drunk to continue?

 

[Gollevainen]

I lost my heart, not sisu..without a heart sisu is nothing but drunken fool's attempt to fight the obvious. I gave my fight, fought hard, 170 IC vs 1000 IC...but could not win.

 

[King of Men]

A few comments on Golle's last will and testament: He mentions that the American intervention in the penultimate war was a surprise to Dano. It was also a surprise to me, Varyar having done the negotiations. I woke up on Friday quite innocent of any hostile intentions towards EastAsia, to find that the American alliance had threatened war if EastAsia didn't peace out the Axis. In retrospect it was probably our best move at the time, it was just a bit surprising. If we hadn't helped the Axis then, their collapse would have been even more complete - no bitter fighting in Persia, no last-gasp nuclear retaliation. (I would have saved one warhead for Ragnapur, but I don't blame Jodokus for being a bit annoyed at Quebec.)

Golle also says that it was clear to all four of us that we were going to lose; it was not clear to me, at least not before the pocket at Ashgabat closed. I thought were were holding firmly in Persia and could repair the weakness of our front in Kazakhstan, then outproduce and strangle EastAsia. Perhaps I had not fully grasped the desperateness of the Georgian and Finnish manpower situation. The Alliance DOW was a bit of a disaster too, of course.

Finland is still fighting; the Norwegian and Italian troops got out of the collapse in Persia and are preparing to hold a last redoubt in Finland proper, the geographical area that forms the nation in OTL. Winter is coming, and it's no joke to fight in Finland in winter; and the factories continue to churn.

 

[Jakalo]

A few comments on Golle's last will and testament: He mentions that the American intervention in the penultimate war was a surprise to Dano. It was also a surprise to me, Varyar having done the negotiations. I woke up on Friday quite innocent of any hostile intentions towards EastAsia, to find that the American alliance had threatened war if EastAsia didn't peace out the Axis. In retrospect it was probably our best move at the time, it was just a bit surprising. If we hadn't helped the Axis then, their collapse would have been even more complete - no bitter fighting in Persia, no last-gasp nuclear retaliation. (I would have saved one warhead for Ragnapur, but I don't blame Jodokus for being a bit annoyed at Quebec.)

Golle also says that it was clear to all four of us that we were going to lose; it was not clear to me, at least not before the pocket at Ashgabat closed. I thought were were holding firmly in Persia and could repair the weakness of our front in Kazakhstan, then outproduce and strangle EastAsia. Perhaps I had not fully grasped the desperateness of the Georgian and Finnish manpower situation. The Alliance DOW was a bit of a disaster too, of course.

Finland is still fighting; the Norwegian and Italian troops got out of the collapse in Persia and are preparing to hold a last redoubt in Finland proper, the geographical area that forms the nation in OTL. Winter is coming, and it's no joke to fight in Finland in winter; and the factories continue to churn.

I agree with that, I`m not entirely convinced we should have backed out of war though, Oceania at that time probably was even more unprepared for war and we could have overrun Georgia and the southern part of Finland before any meaningful defense could be set up, but China was alive at that point and Sid probably would have interveened at some point even if that means sitting in China and building lots of infantry. Yeah we could have starved him out with strategic bombardment or maybe not.
This way at least he fell so fast he could produce any single unit before annexation. So in a sense we traded excellent strategic situation in the Middle East for security in homeland. Too bad we didnt get that reactor as Quebec can testify. As for that last one warhead on Ragnapur that probably wouldnt have been such a good idea for Oceania as you were responsible for letting Axis keep that reactor and that would have triggered few nuclear warheads on top of biggest stacks in Persian front and I wouldnt have restrained myself from such juicy target in that case.
As for encirclement by Caspian sea, you would notice that there were no presence of Japanese mobile formations till June 13th (I was redeploying and kept checking that damned date unpatiently) but nevertheless Dano managed to close encirclement with troops available (mainly infantry) so it wasnt quite Blitz but more so shortage/misplacement of troops. It might have been wiser for Axis to withdraw from that defence line but I can understand Jodokus reasons, loss of that nuclear reactor would have meant the end of Georgia as superpower.
Anyhow I regret escape of Oceanian Expeditionary Corps what probably could have been prevented, I was a bit too satisfied with the situation at that moment to monitor closely GTFO of your divisions and you executed it well.

 

[DanomitePrime]

While Indonesia is busy elsewhere, someone needs to land troops on those Indian Ocean islands ASAP (Diego Garcia, right?) and slap down an airport. Then redeploy the strategic bombers and threaten Indonesia with teh ultimate nukage!!! MUAHAHAHAHA That's what they are most afraid of, aren't they?

That requires navy dominance which they do not have.

 

[BlitzMartinDK]

I just read your post, Golle. A pity you won't play Finland just a session or two more. I have enjoyed all the shouting (but not your spelling ). Hope you'all will post a linkie to the next game.
And two the reamaining axis : Let the nukes fly! Your only chance will be to help France get big enough to resist the East effectively -Because France is next logical target for the East.. So take out Africa, and give it to Foels.

On a side note : I hate a MP game, wich is supposed to be free-for-all, and two players are having an "unbreakable" agreement, from the start to the end..The degree of cooperation and specialization between Japan and Malaysia seems incredible. Have they never been on opposite sides at all?

 

[Jakalo]

That requires navy dominance which they do not have.

Even more so with the best part of Italian navy sitting in the Mediterranean =]

I just read your post, Golle. A pity you won't play Finland just a session or two more. I have enjoyed all the shouting (but not your spelling ). Hope you'all will post a linkie to the next game.
And two the reamaining axis : Let the nukes fly! Your only chance will be to help France get big enough to resist the East effectively -Because France is next logical target for the East.. So take out Africa, and give it to Foels.

On a side note : I hate a MP game, wich is supposed to be free-for-all, and two players are having an "unbreakable" agreement, from the start to the end..The degree of cooperation and specialization between Japan and Malaysia seems incredible. Have they never been on opposite sides at all?

So you advise to nuke the poor Qubec who is French ally and givi it to him, are you Foelsgaard in disguise or simply deluded ^^ French masterplan in work no doubt. ITs...ITS WORKING....

Are you refering to Georgia/Finland or Eastasia with that ''unbreakable'' agreement?

 

[carillon]

German AI was nuked (unless they were under your command)
And indeed, its shame that German armies havent consisted much other than militia, but nuking even a empty zero value province proves sometime a point.

I don't know what you are talking about. My army is mainly regular troops. The only militia I have or have had even when fighting you were coast guarding.

 

[DanomitePrime]

On a side note : I hate a MP game, wich is supposed to be free-for-all, and two players are having an "unbreakable" agreement, from the start to the end..The degree of cooperation and specialization between Japan and Malaysia seems incredible. Have they never been on opposite sides at all?

Finland and Georgia have been in an unbreakable alliance since eu3. In Eu3 and Victoria Japan and Indonesia fought some. In Eu3 Japan was nearly annexed by a joint operation of India and Indonesia, but for political reasons we returned the land. In Victoria was some disagreements early on, but fairly quickly we realized would have to work together to safe guard against China.
In Hoi we have had some pretty static alliances, Japan/Indonesia, Finland/Georgia, and Norway/Italy.

In fact I will say Japan and Indonesia have fought the most out of any of the 3 power blocks during the course of the game.

 

[Edzako]

Yeah, in Vicky it was either Dano or Blayne, as Japan was too negligible to stand alone. And Blayne kept asking for land...

So I teamed up with Dano and spent most of that game shielding behind big Indonesian back and building up industry, worked pretty well in the end, as I managed to overtake Norway, who was 4th most powerful nation in Vicky.

 

[BlitzMartinDK]

Finland and Georgia have been in an unbreakable alliance since eu3. In Eu3 and Victoria Japan and Indonesia fought some. In Eu3 Japan was nearly annexed by a joint operation of India and Indonesia, but for political reasons we returned the land. In Victoria was some disagreements early on, but fairly quickly we realized would have to work together to safe guard against China.
In Hoi we have had some pretty static alliances, Japan/Indonesia, Finland/Georgia, and Norway/Italy.

In fact I will say Japan and Indonesia have fought the most out of any of the 3 power blocks during the course of the game.

But since yours is the succesful one, you are gonna' be blamed - Do remember, I'm just another one from the Peanut Gallery!

And Thanks for the answer.
By the way : What happened to India?

On a-(nother) side note : When Foels got taken down earlier, did he get annexed and reinstated, or did you Peace him out and take land? -I am interested in wether or not he lost all of those beatiful airplanes he had once..

 

[Foelsgaard]

On a-(nother) side note : When Foels got taken down earlier, did he get annexed and reinstated, or did you Peace him out and take land? -I am interested in wether or not he lost all of those beatiful airplanes he had once..

I got annexed and reinstated because I lost my mind and fought on. In retrospect, all that airpower and Manpower and army and lost research and whatnot could have been really useful at this point.

I hate myself.

France: So powerful they can be nuked and not even notice.

FEAR ME!

 

[Jakalo]

But since yours is the succesful one, you are gonna' be blamed - Do remember, I'm just another one from the Peanut Gallery!

And Thanks for the answer.
By the way : What happened to India?

On a-(nother) side note : When Foels got taken down earlier, did he get annexed and reinstated, or did you Peace him out and take land? -I am interested in wether or not he lost all of those beatiful airplanes he had once..

India got split between Indonesia/Japan/Prussia maybe someone else cant remember.

Japan annexed France and later reinstated it.