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to Varyar: I recollect you saying YOU would nuke anyone using nuclear weapons, also feel free to edit yourself out of Axis so you can DOW Georgia :D
I also pointed out well in advance that since I am unlikely to be able to carry out the act itself against an ally, my guarantee would in practice be to hand over a nuke to the enemy of the original user of nukes. But since you guys have nukes it's not necessary.
 

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Apart from a few divisions lost to Evil Japanese Airpower, my Persia Expeditionary Force was able to break contact and perform what Yngling doctrine refers to as a GTFO Maneuver.

It is worth noting that Japan and Finland were duking it out with lvl IV tanks, while the Norwegian ones are now lvl 7. Against this we must admit that the EastAsian tanks do have one important quality missing from the Norwegian ones, to wit, they are present in great numbers on the battlefield.

Borrowing Japanese terms =]

Finland forces trying to GTFO

Most of my tanks are lvl5 now, but I was unwilling to upgrade them without discount, probably will have to as I am out of MP for quite a time.
 
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Well, having seen some of the info posted on the thread, I'm impressed that Japan is doing so much with what it has. A third of Eurasia conquered and the Italians out of Hawaii with one of the smaller resource-bases in the game? Either a fine example of efficient uses of force, or a clear mastery inconvincing other people to use their human waves for Japanese Great Victory. Either way: NICE!

Now EastAsia must conquer france and quebec, so that the Norwegians get scared enough to call on the moon-Georgians for help. Tripods in Tokyo by Christmas laddie! :D

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Well to be fair mostly the second =] As cute as my highly specialized forces are they wouldnt be sufficient for anything but desperate stand in the Korea and home isles, against such overwhelming alliance at least, but thanks to our pre planned synergy (he brings the masses, I threaten to nuke anyone glancing funnily at Ragnapur) in our alliance force composition we are kicking ass for good.
Also I would like to note that we are not MC each other and all of our attacks are coordinated through ingame chat so we have achieved quite a level of communication.

Also I will probably be releasing Shanxi or Northern China, for E.Jūnger to get some playtime ;)
 

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Well if someone could've bothered to tell the n00b well in advance that Hawaii was the key to the Pacific I could actually have put troops there :(

Oh well, shit happens :D
Ok. Check if naval base on Tahiti can support amphibious assault of Galapagos (i don't remember), and if yes, just make sure it's garrisoned, or Eastasia will be able to land on whole western South America coast, too! (IIRC, from Hawaii you can hardly reach Panama canal, or somewhere nearby)
 

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While Indonesia is busy elsewhere, someone needs to land troops on those Indian Ocean islands ASAP (Diego Garcia, right?) and slap down an airport. Then redeploy the strategic bombers and threaten Indonesia with teh ultimate nukage!!! MUAHAHAHAHA That's what they are most afraid of, aren't they?
I approve. Quebec should have some nearby bases to support it :D

(on a side note, rockets do not need to regain org to strike? So you can pop lv1 airbase, redeploy rocket and launch nuclear strike against Dhacca and Singapore?)

Apart from a few divisions lost to Evil Japanese Airpower, my Persia Expeditionary Force was able to break contact and perform what Yngling doctrine refers to as a GTFO Maneuver.

It is worth noting that Japan and Finland were duking it out with lvl IV tanks, while the Norwegian ones are now lvl 7. Against this we must admit that the EastAsian tanks do have one important quality missing from the Norwegian ones, to wit, they are present in great numbers on the battlefield.
Ok, i must have gotten the impression from Japanese AAR, full of divisions destroyed by airpower or in encirclements ;)

Yes, it's interesting that so many people work with quite obsolete units, like 1941 infantry. Not enuff IC?
 

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Ok. Check if naval base on Tahiti can support amphibious assault of Galapagos (i don't remember), and if yes, just make sure it's garrisoned, or Eastasia will be able to land on whole western South America coast, too! (IIRC, from Hawaii you can hardly reach Panama canal, or somewhere nearby)
Well, all the islands except Galapagos have been lost, including Tahiti, so too late. Fortunately, all my coast is garrisoned with brand spanking new Airplanes and badass Mountaineers. It's no joke to fight Mountaineers in the Andes :D
 

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Ach I spent half the night reading this. Be lucky I have holidays or the suffering this AAR would have put me trough would have been unbearable! :eek:o

Now, hurry up, play on and post some new updates so I can read on :p
 

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Thank you Japan and France. You have my never swerving loyalty! (until the time when other graphics present themselves)

Yes it seems to me very interesting that A) the Oceania/Axis alliance is still standing, B) the other alliance is Allies/Eastasia, making it roughly half the world against the other half, C) Oceania committed way too late to the 'scramble for Eurasia', and too little. If KoM is saying the tanks are not yet on the battlefield; they are not where they are supposed to be! As Italy, I would just throw the bomb first now to have any chance of victory. Use it as a tactical nuke and take Hawaii, otherwise you're screwed. On the other hand, I do hope Oceania will be invaded, just to teach those damn Americans that Isolationism is not an option!

GO Japan! GO France!
take down those bastard americans. (and don't forget to garrison your mutual borders, just in case ;) )

p.s. Quebecafrica is continually escaping the sharp analyses by all the peanut gallery; I think you played magnificently. You took those temporary losses of giving up the the Suez in the previous peace deal for a better diplomatic standing, then turned in time on France, to turn again against the Axis and Oceania. You're a smart player to capture that fleet of Oceania in the Med. On the whole, I am curious on your perspective, do you have some screenshots for us? Will you take the fight on the Atlantic? Can you land in Brazil already?
 

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Well, all the islands except Galapagos have been lost, including Tahiti, so too late. Fortunately, all my coast is garrisoned with brand spanking new Airplanes and badass Mountaineers. It's no joke to fight Mountaineers in the Andes :D
*facepalm* ;)

Ah, so that's why Georgia fell, because you commited forcesto garrison 20 coastline provinces and not Tahiti? :D

Seriously - you don't have range to land in SA from Tahiti, that i am sure. So garrisoning western coastline now is utterly redundant (except for few divs in capital, just in case). But there are two islands between Tahiti and SA that can be used as a hopping point, so that was my point. To build defense line there and not on the continent. You know, garrisoning 2 provinces is easier than 20.
 

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Ok, hours have passed enough of my last stand Im think Im ready to post the "last post"

BEHOLD: The last post by Gollevainen
-Not a Proper AAR, but more of AAR of the entire campaing
Ill post "proper" last AAR later on

So where I should begun? From the begining?
From start when I first joined the game (that was december 2007)?
A lot of time has passed since Blayne asked me to join their TWBW campaing that was talked during the last days of GGIV, but I didn't join as I didn't had CK at that time.

The time I played with these guys have proven me lot of things.
Mostly that Im not that good player in these individual games. CK, Eu3 and Ricky have all come familiar to me trough this campaing and Ive basicly learned them by struggeling for survival. Hoi2 I knew before, but I got pwned by players lot better than myself.
Also, Im a desperate sucker for attention:D. Not only here in the forums, but also in the game. I didn't want to be a indifferent minor, I wanted to be one of the superpowers, if not by my nation in gamewise, but as a player among the players who mattered.
And that was the sole rational reason why I sticked around so long as a side kick to Fasquardon, as that position let me to taste that importance. And that suited me perfectly
Only when I really started to deserve that attention via the Axis in the end of Vicky and in Hoi2, all started to collapse.

Another thing I've learned from myself was that I apparently am really good bluffer. I seem to have that poker face:D Not that I want to brag about it but it has been miraclous of how big messes I've managed to bring myself into and still survive without too much harm....

And this factor I would like to highligth: Before this lost war, I didn't lost a single core-province from the Intial Blayne's Russia or the explorational expansions to it in Eu3 by Force.

I've lost couple of times (always actually;)) the gains Ive got from other players, but from those starting grounds, I've always managed to dodge out from wars before they went too Hot for my liking.
I've also been wise enough not to let everyone know about it, as back in Eu3 days it seemed to be some sort of general CB to someones that "He hasen't suffered for quite a time now". I heard that many times and always wishled around looking innocent As I could.

So in some sense, I feel that I was defeated only once during this game, and that was the final defeat.

How we did become to it?

It could start in around 1160's when I raised my hands up in England and took a shelter as a vassal in Blayne's Russia hoping to become his heir in the throne after his (famous) china move in the conversion to eu3.

My relationship to Blayne has also been well known during the game.
Blayne...is not perhaps the most enjoyable company in these games and aside me and few others, its not secret nor some unspokable Tabu that rather many hate his guts in personal level and adjoins that displeasure to the ever present china issue.
To many that dislike of Blayne seems to have been the sole sensible reason to oppose the human played china, and In same breathstake the reasons for me to support it has been due that antipacy against them and from my friendly stance towards Blayne himself.

In the effect that has lead my game into great turmiol many times and in sense it was the couse of my doom. A main motive behind the decissions I made that lead to the situation.

The main factor in my game in Russia and Blayne's in China has included a sin of deception. I fooled Blayne abit during CK to step out as a ruler of Russia in favor of me for pure powermongering lust to become a "important" player.
The intial situation was that Ulmont (Brettany) was attacking russia and refused to sign a NAP with Blayne.
I then suggested to Ulmont that if I would step in as a ruler of Russia and Blayne would become my vassal, for a period of 50 years, would he then sign a NAP with me? And I bluffed that Blayned had allready agreeded to it.
Ulmont agreed, and then I went to tell Blayne that Ulmont demands this arragment of me becoming the Tsar...:D
It worked. At the wery beging I had no plans to step out from my position as the Tsar after 50 years and that Suited for Fasquardon's Georgia as well. We all knew that Fasq and Blayne hated each other, so my stepping in was the ultimate seal for Russo-Georgian friendship that lasted till the end.
Eventually I didn't have to scheme much as the Byzantium pole came free, and Blayne was persuaded to take it in order to gurantee its remaining part of the "East"

In the end it made me feel bit bad over my deeds, and that I was really in depth to Blayne to get into the position I played for so long. I wanted to made it up for him.
Also during my first ever MP game, some forgotten eu2 campaing, I played as sweden, über-nooblisly beated my mouth for a player called(i think now banned) BurningEGO who then with his UK raped Sweden rather badly.
For everyone else it was more of point of amusement but Blayne came to my help without hesitation and IRC took his share of the beating as well.
That sort of things Ive rarely witnessed in any games Ive played and by any of the players whom I had pleasure to play with.

So In the end it was clear to me that If Blayne would face desrtuction in this game, I had to help him by every means, even If I would sacrifice myself by it.
Like it eventually took place.

The famous Backstabbing hazzle at the end of the Franco-German war vol. 1000 during the late 30's messed things rather badly. In burst of anger I sold out Blayne cheaply for the east.
It was allready by then begun apparent that East Asia was our number one "mortal" enemy that could decide our life and death.
But back then I still had some sort of connection to Danomite that I could atleast plead NAPs from him.
As no china to ballance east Asia, they could easily take Axis next in order to be powerfull enough for full frontal invasion of America. After I had recovered from my stubidiery, me and Blayne started to plot over his revival. I told him millions of times that build troops....build troops. As the "sausage" slave china still posesed a threath to Asians and I thougth then (rather correctly) that my only change when Asians would attack was the chinese uprising....

but Blayne wanted to build IC, and put all his fate on Dano's word.

I didn't.
Ive mentioned my proplems with Danomite quite many times, and Still I don't want to blacklash him or to continue those so Lets just said that for pretty long I haven't been able to communicate with him properly.
Most of the time not at all, and at best Ive been able to listen his propaganda speaches in good and bad, but to actually conversate or negotiate with him has been impossible.

And I still feel he has attacked me three times during this game for reasons that involves our personal level skisma rather than any meanginfull game wisereasons.
In top of that His really annoyingly playing Little brother in Quepec has guranteed that every war I end up with him would be unwinnable for Axis.

It begun to be a deadlock situation that couldn't be solved by any diplomatic ways nor militarical ways. In the end not fun at all as the Game had repeated the same bloody formula ever since Dano's brother become to play Africa. First Axis ends up in a war with Asia, then the little africa backstabs despite what agreements you had made with him...or otherwise around.

In the pneultimate war I just had enough. I took the oath of "to the death" as I had no intress of continuing in that situation anymore. Its either complete defeat of either me or one of the canadians on axis flanks.

That time I became saved by the Americans, to which I had finaly managed to argue that Danomite and Asia weren't "peace loving" but ruthless power mongers who wanted to get rid of Axis in their way to destroy America.
To my pleasure their support to me clearly became as a suprise to Danomite.

When Dano finaly agreed WP, in the saturday morning of the session where the war ended and the final war started (few weeks now) He first wanted WP for Asia only and urged us to continue our figth against West (who's helping had been his offical and unoffical CB)
I didn't buy that.
Then he suggested a NAP with Axis, something that I had begged from him many many many times before the christmass break and the Nuclear picture mess
By then I knew that Asians wanted to approach the situation from different angle and destroy the slave-china before they re-DoW us.
I didn't agree to any NAP, and went shouting to Blayne that BUILD SOME F***iNG TROOPS;)
To wich he replied that Indonesia wasen't attacking him, but had almost promised to him that they would together decieve Japan and China with Japanese holdings would become Indonesia's next ally.

I was stubid enough to let Blaynes never ending optimism to comfort me to believe such would indeed take place.
It didn't
When Japan doWed, there weren't turning back. If china would die, even the hypothetical changes Axis had to beat the deadlock would die as well...
So in the end it didn't costed us anything to try to prevent it, even if Asia had Pwned us big time one session before.

The last thing in TS in my last session was the Dano's brother wondering smuggly how why on earth did Axis attack Asia when they knew that they would loose?
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
I should have replied to him that indeed, expecially when Asia had offered us NAPs to destroy West during the same time...

I wasen't suprised of American joining for our couse. I had before that almost pledged vassalisation to the Ynglings and my talks with italy had convinced me that Asia was not to be let to grown anymore.

But I think we all four, me, my brother Jodokius, Varyar and KoM knew that we couldn't win that war. Atleast Axis couldn't.

It didn't stop us figthing.
During the weeks between the three war sessions, Danomite was rather openly begging for peace from us.
In first week he offered to sell out Japan, so that Axis would get all the sausage china+ japan's china and Indonesia would help us if by exhange we would help him to destroy America.
In seccond week we came to agree Two china's would be made, one as Axis puppet (played by Blayne) and anther AI asian Puppet china, and a "belt" china, an few province wide "worm" that would go from the Gulf of Persia to Sea of Ohotia as a neutral barrier zone between axis and Asia. A solution to the deathlock.

In the lobby of the last session Danomite refused it as "too complicated", just like that.
It was lot easier to annex axis apparently.

That session went as I foresaw it. The mass of asia and the Japanese airforce would eventually collabse the Persian front and destroy my obsolete armies in Siberia.
Quepec would backstab us, and Jodokius would get one brighfull moment for his somewhat misserable visit as the gergian leader who didn't play single session in peace nor to win anything but eventually loose everything.

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Oh yeas, I also had a small bottle of Koskenkorva vodka acompanied with me such in case that the war would end for my defeat in that session. After japs airforce whipe 18 of my divisions, I opened the bottle. That quote is from the last minutes of the session when the bottle was allready empty ;)

It did happen. The most outragious thing was the annexation of Prussia as Falakh had never done anything harm to anyone since start of vicky and was completely out of the superpower politics. Perhaps for that reason, one of the three Nukes Georgia managed to produce flew into germany and killed around 20 divisions from the AI
rest two landed in Quepec as it was promised.

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In The end, the end wasen't glorifull battle, aside that I build two cavalry divs and stormed them into Ukraine to first beat out the french and then get beated by overwhelming french. Someone posted an AAR recently and wondered those horses...
Let them wonder.
Someone also talked something about mortal enemies recently, Ynglings weren't mine. They never were and our past wars with Norway had allways been mere fun parties between neighbours gone wild, and for myself, the best part of the game.
I was hounered and humbled to be able to figth that one small and short war against someone I could talk and discuss all the course of war and take the defeat as it came without any grunge. That was experience that ultimately left good taste to my mouth from the end game phase.
I severly do hope that my next endphase would be lot tenseless and lighter in atmosphere and that I can really enjoy


I testament my support and the AAR reward of this writing to KoMs norway and I hope he wins. Like I said, Ill write one more narrative AAR of Gollevainen's adventures and the reward of that Ill testament to Varyar's USIA, and I hope he wins this game as well.
 
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Gollevainen said:
The most outragious thing was the annexation of Prussia as Falakh had never done anything harm to anyone since start of vicky and was completely out of the superpower politics. Perhaps for that reason, one of the three Nukes Georgia managed to produce flew into germany and killed around 20 divisions from the AI

I am very evil!

Also, I was nuked!? So that's why that stack of militia was all messed up all of a sudden...
 

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German AI was nuked (unless they were under your command)
And indeed, its shame that German armies havent consisted much other than militia, but nuking even a empty zero value province proves sometime a point.
 

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German AI was nuked (unless they were under your command)
And indeed, its shame that German armies havent consisted much other than militia, but nuking even a empty zero value province proves sometime a point.

Germany was mil-controlled by me. I think that nuke was more or less like kicking the ocean to prevent the flood. It did annoy me though, that one of my larger stacks at the front suddenly slowed to a crawl.
 

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Thank you Japan and France. You have my never swerving loyalty! (until the time when other graphics present themselves)

Yes it seems to me very interesting that A) the Oceania/Axis alliance is still standing, B) the other alliance is Allies/Eastasia, making it roughly half the world against the other half, C) Oceania committed way too late to the 'scramble for Eurasia', and too little. If KoM is saying the tanks are not yet on the battlefield; they are not where they are supposed to be! As Italy, I would just throw the bomb first now to have any chance of victory. Use it as a tactical nuke and take Hawaii, otherwise you're screwed. On the other hand, I do hope Oceania will be invaded, just to teach those damn Americans that Isolationism is not an option!

GO Japan! GO France!
take down those bastard americans. (and don't forget to garrison your mutual borders, just in case ;) )

p.s. Quebecafrica is continually escaping the sharp analyses by all the peanut gallery; I think you played magnificently. You took those temporary losses of giving up the the Suez in the previous peace deal for a better diplomatic standing, then turned in time on France, to turn again against the Axis and Oceania. You're a smart player to capture that fleet of Oceania in the Med. On the whole, I am curious on your perspective, do you have some screenshots for us? Will you take the fight on the Atlantic? Can you land in Brazil already?

Actually that was Dano who advised capture of Italian fleet in the Mediterranean, that was at the time shortly before Quebec joined the war and they were finalizing details.

As for KoMs tanks, I believe he simply doesnt have that many as opposite to witholding them from fight. He said something about that in his AAR where he soundly defeated Finnish forces in Scandinavia.

I am very evil!

Also, I was nuked!? So that's why that stack of militia was all messed up all of a sudden...

I wondered why there were only two nuclear attacks, I assumed Georgia will have 3-4 nuclear bombs, maybe even more if he continues to build his reactor.
 

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Germany was mil-controlled by me. I think that nuke was more or less like kicking the ocean to prevent the flood. It did annoy me though, that one of my larger stacks at the front suddenly slowed to a crawl.
well that explains why German AI behaved lot like a human would have. Man I was drunk back in saturday, now it seems rather obvious that it would have been under human controll.

Edit: Georgia had three nukes. Two was blown to the stack showed in the screenshot (jodokius was lot more wasted than i was...he first reduced it to 8 and he told me that he wanted them all death so he nuked the same place again, before most of the people even noticed the attack) The last bomb was saved untill Jodokius asked Falakh wheter he needs nuclear support.