I for one demand a mupdate with little nuke icons on all the relevant provinces
I'm on it!
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The peanut gallery approves of the nukage and watches the current war with great interest
Go Norway!!! Go Italy!!!
Go Norway!!! Go Italy!!!
Another interesting thing is : How many nukes were used by whoom?, and wich nations have any left????
Well, a total of 57 nukes have gone off in this and the previous session. The log doesn't tell you who fired them, but we can do some rules of thumb: Those that went off in Malaysia and Italy were fired by Quebec; Quebec was hit by Malaysia and Italy; Germany and France received Japanese and Chinese (and one Russian) warheads; and Russia, Japan, and China were struck by Germany.
Norway has 39 nukes remaining, as you can see; Quebec probably has none; Russia none; Malaysia I estimate between ten and twenty; Japan and Germany have probably not emptied their arsenals - say twenty nukes each; France might have 30; and Shanxi I'm not sure about.
Norway has 39 nukes remaining, as you can see; Quebec probably has none; Russia none; Malaysia I estimate between ten and twenty; Japan and Germany have probably not emptied their arsenals - say twenty nukes each; France might have 30; and Shanxi I'm not sure about.
Here is a question, how do you guys have so many nukes if it takes like a year and a half for each one to be built? Or does that speed up as your reactor gets into the higher levels?
And is there any way for you to build them yourself, or are you stuck with it doing it for you?
And is there any way for you to build them yourself, or are you stuck with it doing it for you?
At reactor level 9 with the production-increasing tech you get one every three months or so. Figure people have had that since 1947 and you get stockpiles of around 40 bombs, give or take five.
according to Jodokius, he had managed to expend only three nukes out of the ammount Japan had nukes in the start of the session...
First Finland shoot one strategical nuke.
Then Germany retaliated with one strategical and one tactical (the tactical whiping most of japansese troops away) So I got fired by Two nukes...
then Japan retaliates with 4 tactical...
so I think it was even and symmetrical response logic. If Germany would have just responsed with one strategical, who knows that Japan and later Shanxi migth have not have to intervene.
First Finland shoot one strategical nuke.
Then Germany retaliated with one strategical and one tactical (the tactical whiping most of japansese troops away) So I got fired by Two nukes...
then Japan retaliates with 4 tactical...
so I think it was even and symmetrical response logic
. If Germany would have just responsed with one strategical, who knows that Japan and later Shanxi migth have not have to intervene.
Now we are all sons of bitches
-Bainbridge
A "The Whole Picture" production
Well, that was quite a session. In this session the Shanxi infantry was finally and thoroughly broken. At the start of the session most of my army guarded the border with Malaysia, and when war was declared I was too slow to move my army to the frontline, so instead of a line of 40-stacks my army was overrun and encircled. When the frontlines started to crumble my divisions unerringly decided to retreat to provinces two days from capture, assuring that my army quickly dwindled, and even worse, most of my headquarters were caught in the initial encirclement greatly diminishing the effectiveness of my army for the rest of the session.
This session also introduced me to a new friend, the "nuclear ICBM", the nuclear ICBM is not the same as a nuke, but it is a missile that attacks troops, usually wiping out 4-5 divisions in one fell swoop. Throughout the session I would guess that eastasia lost 60-80 divisions to these beasts, but the number could be much higher since you don't notice it unless you are watching.
To further add to the misery the great bulk of my transport fleet was sunk directly after war was declared since it was sailing unescorted through the strait of gibraltar. So, strat redeployment. The horrible TC resulting from moving 60 divisions didn't help matters at the front since much of the terrain was 20 infra. A few times my extremely conservatively chosen drop points were in danger of being overrun due to the fast nature of the invading forces.
Germany really surprised me by using innovative tactics combinging good micro and macro. My army could do little more than try to slow down the push.
Germany did make one critical mistake though. When the war started to go badly, I began negotiating for peace. But the peace was stalled, Norway stated their claims and I agreed upon them, Germany stated it's claim and I found them reasonable, but for some reason they didn't want the peace. I knew this was going to lead to a nuclear if Finland continued to lose ground. But for some reason they refused to have even a peace of their chosing. Finland had been lobbying for the idea of first using nukes, and through that basically force Germany to the negotiating table, but I believed that to be a very bad idea. I couldn't really explain this to the western allies since I had noted that Germany reacted very badly to anything he perceived as blackmailing. But when nuclear lobbying grew more intense I informed Germany and Norway of the warring schools of peace negotiating.
The second after I had told Germany and Norway, Germany was nuked. The last time a nuke was fired in a similar situation was when Norway nuked Hiroshima. That time Japan handled it brilliantly by using the nuclear incident as a leverage in the negotiating process, but being nuked is a quite emotional experience and Carillion decided to respond in kind. Golle of course reresponded, and a game of tit for tat ensued. The problem was of course that Germany nuked border provinces which on our side contained mostly Japanese and Shanxi troops. Japan saw 40 mechs go down in flames and I lost 60 divisions to nukes. At that time my army had shrunk down to about 180, when I lost those 60 divisions it meant I had lost 1/3 o my army, with much of what remained sitting in provinces likely to be encircled within a few months. I did not se 1/3 of my army as a tactical loss but as a strategic one and I therefore responded with a Strategical strike. Wilhelmsrafe was nuked. Carillion of course did not see it that way, but rather as an unprovoked use of strategical targeting and started to burn my cities to cinder, to which I of course responded in kind. I lost almost 60% of my IC permanently, which in fact makes my losses bigger than Varyars loss of Italianopolis. Due to the distribution of Germanys IC we have been unable to destroy more than 21% of Germanys IC.
So what is the moral of the story kids? Behaving rational in an irrational situation can lead to disaster. There were many steps where Armageddon could have been avoided. The western allies could have stated their claims and gotten their prize, Golle could have surrendered, and Carillion could have chosen not to respond to Golles nuke, me and Japan could have declared our armies foreit and stayed out of the nuclear exchange. But we didn't.
Final strategic Analysis
IC at the end of the session: IC at the beginning: base IC change
Shanxi: 63/73 : 242/167 : -56%
Finland: 30/16 : 236/130 : -88%
Japan: 486/324 : 510/339 : -4%
France: 496/347 : 526/363 : -4%
Germany: 275/185 : 386/234 : -21%
Quebec: 134/77 : 69/144 : -46%
Malaysia: 227/236 : 140/221 : +7%
Italy: 248/179 : 572/355 : -50%
Norway: 372/255 : 379/258 : -1%
Iraq: 31/71 : 25/71 : 0%
Kashmir: 5/5 : 5/5 : 0%
Shanxi, Quebec, Finland and Italy have all had terrible industrial losses, with the industrial base roughly halved for everyone, except for Finland who doesn't really have an industrial base anymore.
Malaysia bas been reducing dissent, but the situation is still critical with breakaway regions all over. Though a non player nation, Iraq will soon be a top ranked nation if the hard rain keeps up.
The great winners of the session were KoM and Foelsgaard, with their armies still intact their industrial base virtually untouched and all of their neighboring nations severly devastated by nuclear war. Japan can't really be seen as a winner due to the heavy military losses she has suffered. I do not know what dynamics led to the refusal to negotiate peace on the western side, but if it was KoM or Foelsgaard who filibustered the negotiations in order to provoke this kind of nuclear exchange, then it should be noted as one of the most impressive examples of metagaming and brinkmanship ever.
It remains to be seen if the nuclear exchange will continue. I have 13 nukes left and an intact reactor.
ps. I have not written anything about the initial Quebec related nuclear exchanges. The reason for this is that since I was not part of any relevant alliance I do not have enough information to paint an accurate picure of what happened. ds.
-Bainbridge
A "The Whole Picture" production
Well, that was quite a session. In this session the Shanxi infantry was finally and thoroughly broken. At the start of the session most of my army guarded the border with Malaysia, and when war was declared I was too slow to move my army to the frontline, so instead of a line of 40-stacks my army was overrun and encircled. When the frontlines started to crumble my divisions unerringly decided to retreat to provinces two days from capture, assuring that my army quickly dwindled, and even worse, most of my headquarters were caught in the initial encirclement greatly diminishing the effectiveness of my army for the rest of the session.
This session also introduced me to a new friend, the "nuclear ICBM", the nuclear ICBM is not the same as a nuke, but it is a missile that attacks troops, usually wiping out 4-5 divisions in one fell swoop. Throughout the session I would guess that eastasia lost 60-80 divisions to these beasts, but the number could be much higher since you don't notice it unless you are watching.
To further add to the misery the great bulk of my transport fleet was sunk directly after war was declared since it was sailing unescorted through the strait of gibraltar. So, strat redeployment. The horrible TC resulting from moving 60 divisions didn't help matters at the front since much of the terrain was 20 infra. A few times my extremely conservatively chosen drop points were in danger of being overrun due to the fast nature of the invading forces.
Germany really surprised me by using innovative tactics combinging good micro and macro. My army could do little more than try to slow down the push.
Germany did make one critical mistake though. When the war started to go badly, I began negotiating for peace. But the peace was stalled, Norway stated their claims and I agreed upon them, Germany stated it's claim and I found them reasonable, but for some reason they didn't want the peace. I knew this was going to lead to a nuclear if Finland continued to lose ground. But for some reason they refused to have even a peace of their chosing. Finland had been lobbying for the idea of first using nukes, and through that basically force Germany to the negotiating table, but I believed that to be a very bad idea. I couldn't really explain this to the western allies since I had noted that Germany reacted very badly to anything he perceived as blackmailing. But when nuclear lobbying grew more intense I informed Germany and Norway of the warring schools of peace negotiating.
The second after I had told Germany and Norway, Germany was nuked. The last time a nuke was fired in a similar situation was when Norway nuked Hiroshima. That time Japan handled it brilliantly by using the nuclear incident as a leverage in the negotiating process, but being nuked is a quite emotional experience and Carillion decided to respond in kind. Golle of course reresponded, and a game of tit for tat ensued. The problem was of course that Germany nuked border provinces which on our side contained mostly Japanese and Shanxi troops. Japan saw 40 mechs go down in flames and I lost 60 divisions to nukes. At that time my army had shrunk down to about 180, when I lost those 60 divisions it meant I had lost 1/3 o my army, with much of what remained sitting in provinces likely to be encircled within a few months. I did not se 1/3 of my army as a tactical loss but as a strategic one and I therefore responded with a Strategical strike. Wilhelmsrafe was nuked. Carillion of course did not see it that way, but rather as an unprovoked use of strategical targeting and started to burn my cities to cinder, to which I of course responded in kind. I lost almost 60% of my IC permanently, which in fact makes my losses bigger than Varyars loss of Italianopolis. Due to the distribution of Germanys IC we have been unable to destroy more than 21% of Germanys IC.
So what is the moral of the story kids? Behaving rational in an irrational situation can lead to disaster. There were many steps where Armageddon could have been avoided. The western allies could have stated their claims and gotten their prize, Golle could have surrendered, and Carillion could have chosen not to respond to Golles nuke, me and Japan could have declared our armies foreit and stayed out of the nuclear exchange. But we didn't.
Final strategic Analysis
IC at the end of the session: IC at the beginning: base IC change
Shanxi: 63/73 : 242/167 : -56%
Finland: 30/16 : 236/130 : -88%
Japan: 486/324 : 510/339 : -4%
France: 496/347 : 526/363 : -4%
Germany: 275/185 : 386/234 : -21%
Quebec: 134/77 : 69/144 : -46%
Malaysia: 227/236 : 140/221 : +7%
Italy: 248/179 : 572/355 : -50%
Norway: 372/255 : 379/258 : -1%
Iraq: 31/71 : 25/71 : 0%
Kashmir: 5/5 : 5/5 : 0%
Shanxi, Quebec, Finland and Italy have all had terrible industrial losses, with the industrial base roughly halved for everyone, except for Finland who doesn't really have an industrial base anymore.
Malaysia bas been reducing dissent, but the situation is still critical with breakaway regions all over. Though a non player nation, Iraq will soon be a top ranked nation if the hard rain keeps up.
The great winners of the session were KoM and Foelsgaard, with their armies still intact their industrial base virtually untouched and all of their neighboring nations severly devastated by nuclear war. Japan can't really be seen as a winner due to the heavy military losses she has suffered. I do not know what dynamics led to the refusal to negotiate peace on the western side, but if it was KoM or Foelsgaard who filibustered the negotiations in order to provoke this kind of nuclear exchange, then it should be noted as one of the most impressive examples of metagaming and brinkmanship ever.
It remains to be seen if the nuclear exchange will continue. I have 13 nukes left and an intact reactor.
ps. I have not written anything about the initial Quebec related nuclear exchanges. The reason for this is that since I was not part of any relevant alliance I do not have enough information to paint an accurate picure of what happened. ds.
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Also Finland have still nukes, but no missiles left....
But the lesson is kids, that nukes cannot be used by moderate and controllable fashion. Expecially in the situation where the parties have close to 100 war heads per alliance...
But the lesson is kids, that nukes cannot be used by moderate and controllable fashion. Expecially in the situation where the parties have close to 100 war heads per alliance...
Nuclear holocaust is fun?
Also by my calculations y'all have lost 33% of the worlds IC, coupled with tactical strikes and conventional warfare and the larger population of this timeline you people will have deathtolls closing on billions :wacko:
So apparently, even a "limited" exchange like that one can cause nuclear winter.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/84469.php
I think you can safely call this game a draw.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/84469.php
I think you can safely call this game a draw.
"If targeted at small cities, low yield weapons can produce 100 times as many fatalities and 100 times as much smoke from fires as was previously estimated for full scale nuclear wars using high-yield weapons."
I presume the players used mostly high-yield weapons on large cities; crisis averted
Now how long before the mutants take over? some Indonesian islands are already overrun!
actually the last exhange was mostly tactical...but the nuking involved Quepec (the indonesia/arequipa) was a strategical holocaust of its full horror...
and yeas, the mutants are taking over in mostly the areas that Indonesians cannot reach any more...
and yeas, the mutants are taking over in mostly the areas that Indonesians cannot reach any more...
Only the parts that you took part in. Me, Japan and Carillion were engaged in some pretty strategic targeting.