Nation names in their native tongue

[Nikolai II]

I seem to recall some-where that Koryo was named after some dynasty that 'founded the modern state. (i will have to find out where I read this.) The Taehan-min'guk was from a a site about modern countries and that was the 'local' term for Korea overall though South Koreans refered to themselves as something else.

yours
Ayeshteni

A quick check on google told us that Chosan was the dynasty ruling in 1395, and still ruling in 1871..

http://www.craft21.com/craft21eg/citytour/citytour-3.html (items 20 and 26)

But some disputes seem prevalent, one (untrustworthy) site claims that it was the Japanese renaming Korea to Chosan in 1910, another (untrustworthy?) site claims that

According to Korean legend, Tan-Gun discovered Korea, which he called "Chosan", about 2 400 B.C. Three clans developed from ancient Chosan. Koreans were responsible for many advancements in Science and the Arts

Taehan-min'guk - means republic of Korea and is official name for South Korea.. although that is probably akin to saying 'United States of America' so the everyday phrase is Han'guk which is probably more akin to america.

About Han'guk:

7193 BC Han-In (Lord of Heaven), establishes a country 50,000-li north to south and 20,000-li east to west, called Han-guk. It comprises of twelve nations. This is believed to be a tribal league in the nationalist circles, the formation of the ethnic entity: DONGYI.

So Han'guk could work, but it was replaced by old Choson already in 2333 BC

This page is pretty good (not only beacuse it supports my cause )
http://www.medeasin.com/coreaspelling.htm

But Chosan is a typo from me, it should be Choson.

And Han'guk means 'One people' and was invented as a phrase for the nation in 1919..

 

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POR: Portugal = Portugal (or Portuguesa?)

Portugal is the name of Portugal in Portuguese. Portuguesa is the feminine form of "português", meaning portuguese.

 

[Kasperus]

Frisians call their landy Fryslan iirc... while the old name of Gelderland was indeed Gelre (Gelder is German) which makes me pointing out that many of the names as posted here are only modern names in modern versions of languages... especially many slavic names were probably not written nor pronounced that way back in, say 1419 (mostly due to lack of vernacular literature which aplies to more countries).

 

[Ayeshteni]

Portugal is the name of Portugal in Portuguese. Portuguesa is the feminine form of "português", meaning portuguese.

I was suspecting something like that. Cheers for clearing it up though (you learn something new everyday on these forums).

@Nikolai II. Indeed, Choson it is.

@Kasperus. many of the sites I found are only for the 'modern' state of a particular area, without going into detail about its name in that nations language (the only people who generally do are those who speak the language as the sites would be in THAT language , slightly annoying.) But I agree with you there, however it is still nice to have some linguistical 'feel', you know? instead of having everyhing in bastardised Pidgin English (Cologne/Koln for instance).

yours
Ayeshteni

 

[Mad King James]

I seem to remember someone doing this once before actually..
Aha I was right!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/deserteur/

 

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One more comment, that I forgot to do...

BRZ: Brazil = Brasil

With the recent discussion about modern names or EU2-era names... well... Brasil (with S) is a modern name, of the XX century. Up to the XIX century, Brazil (with Z) was used. I just think I had to say it because there was a little discussion about it.

 

[Nikolai II]

I seem to remember someone doing this once before actually..
Aha I was right!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/deserteur/

You did post a bit in this discussion thread as well


http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30461


Almost two years ago.. EEP for patch 1.04

 

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Byzantium - Basilea Rhomanoi

that's "basileia rhomaion" (greek), or also "romania" (latin & greek)

bear in mind the time period; since cyprus was not a greek state at this time, it might be better to go with its french name of "chypre"... also, the ottoman state was something like "osmanli devleti", better ask tuna...

steph

 

[Ayeshteni]

Nikolai II and MKJ. Interesing thread and site. Have downloaded the language zip and will trawl through it. Though I am sure there is some mistakes. Though I would advise any-one who is interested in the idea to have a look at it....very interesting

yours
Ayeshteni

 

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What about Rhodes?

I was thinking it would be Rhodos.. but since the Knights hold it.. would it be under a French or Neo-Latin term?

 

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I was thinking it would be Rhodos.. but since the Knights hold it.. would it be under a French or Neo-Latin term?

But that wouldn't be valid after the Knights move to Malta (which, admittedly, they never do in the normal game).

The official name of the Knights is "The Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes, and of Malta" (see website). But that would be too long to put in the game, and in any case, they should not be talking about Malta before they have moved there.

My (grossly uninformed and totally random) guess would be that the name in the game should just be "Order of St. John", translated into Latin.

 

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NIP: Nippon = Nihon

Today Nihon and Nippon are both correct in Japanese tongue. It seems some complex invisible laws dominate which one we should use in a given centext. In general, Nippon has powerful tone, and Nihon has tender one. The Japanese government likes to have foreigners pronounce Nippon by some reason.

 

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baden - baden
wurtemberg - württemberg

bremen - bremen

silesia - schlesien

and it would be heiliges römisches reich deutscher nation

bavaria - bayern

wurzburg - würzburg

 

[Brickie]

Switzerland is of course Suisse, Schweiz or Svizzera - depending on whether you ask a French-, German-, or Italian-speaking Swiss. So do what the Swiss do on their stamps and stick with Helvetia.

Or you could go with Confoederatio Helvetica ("Swiss Confederation" - the CH abbreviation is often used).

Other German states are pretty much as rendered in the game. Prussia is Preußen or Preussen, Kleves is Kleve, The Palatinate is Pfalz. The Teutonic Order is Der Deutsche Orden (at least that's what they're called in German, which I assume is what they used. Otherwise ... Ordo Teutonicus? Perhaps in a similar vein The Knights could be Ordo Sanctus Ioannum. My latin is non-existent, by the way.

 

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CAS - Castilla y León
ARG - Aragón
CAT - Catalunya
GRA - Gharnata


I think you did not have them. If you did, then sorry to bother
Oh, and I guess you can'y type España 'cause you probable don't have the 'Ñ', right?

 

[Ayeshteni]

CAS - Castilla y León
ARG - Aragón
CAT - Catalunya
GRA - Gharnata


I think you did not have them. If you did, then sorry to bother
Oh, and I guess you can'y type España 'cause you probable don't have the 'Ñ', right?

No I didn't have them. and no, I can't do the squiggly thing (however, I do have 'copy and paste' )

yours
Ayeshteni

 

[Ayeshteni]

Switzerland is of course Suisse, Schweiz or Svizzera - depending on whether you ask a French-, German-, or Italian-speaking Swiss. So do what the Swiss do on their stamps and stick with Helvetia.

Or you could go with Confoederatio Helvetica ("Swiss Confederation" - the CH abbreviation is often used).

Other German states are pretty much as rendered in the game. Prussia is Preußen or Preussen, Kleves is Kleve, The Palatinate is Pfalz. The Teutonic Order is Der Deutsche Orden (at least that's what they're called in German, which I assume is what they used. Otherwise ... Ordo Teutonicus? Perhaps in a similar vein The Knights could be Ordo Sanctus Ioannum. My latin is non-existent, by the way.

I am daft, I always wondered why Switzerland had CH as their country designator! DOH!

yours
A

 

[alpermat]

"Ottoman Empire" = "Osmanli Imparatorlugu" in modern Turkish
But in Ottoman times this name wasn't employed. The name Ottomans employed on offical papers was: "Devlet-i Ali Osman" which is not Turkish but an Ottoman name.

Note that the offical language of the empire was Ottoman which is a modified Turkish that incorparates various gramatic and vocabulary features from other languages spoken within the empire (like Arabic etc.)

(Moreover "Osmanli Devleti" means "the Ottoman State" in modern Turkish and is not used for naming purposes at all.)

Regards.

 

[G-Klav]

I believe you still miss these:

Moldavia - Moldova
Croatia - Hrvatska
Georgia - Sakartvelos
Etiopia - Ityopia
Lithuania - Lietuva
Bohemia - Čechy
Strassbourg - Straßburg
Venice - Venezia
Naples - Napoli
Sardinia - Sardegna
Sicily - Sicilia
Tuscany - Toscana
Wallachia - Valachia
Serbia - Srbija
Crimea - Krym

I'm not entirely sure about that last one, though...

 

[Archeolooginspe]

HAU;Brabant = Brabant
LUX;Luxembourg = Lëtzeburg (modern name, so French is more preferable for that time Luxembourg)
FLA;Vlaendren (Flanders in more Ancient spelling, the former given is spelling from the 1950's)

It all depends off course if you want the name in today's language of the language that was spoken before.