Nat China joining the Allies

[21oliver]

Ok i aligned to the Allies from day one, and raised threat on Japan, and now its almost the end of 1937, i check for the first time and find myself drifting towards the Axis, even though no one is influencing me from the Axis. Ive never seen this before, even nations going against the grain usually progress towards my goal if align to a faction (some slower then others, but steady movement). why am i drifting towards the Axis? :blink:

 

[gunstickuncle]

Usually the reasons and inpacts on drift speed are listed in detail if you hover your mouse over the flag circle of the respective country in the diplomatic triangle and wait for the tooltip.

But even without looking into details of your game, I can most certainly assume that you have a paternal autocrat ruling party (the KMT) in some sort of right-wing autocracy. That means you drift towards Axis for ideological reasons.
The threat you raise on Japan will have very little impact on you because you are members of the same ideology group.
Other possible reasons would be good relations to other Axis members (due to trades).

Anyway, for reasons yet unknown to me you sometimes have to wait for the influence impact to "build up". I am sure there is a logical explanation for that; however I cannot deliver it at the moment. Influence impact on drift can rise significantly (up to to a capped maximum) in time if uniterrupted.

 

[21oliver]

Yea the ideological numbers was small, i mean there was no numbers of any significance for the aligning.... All my trades were with the Soviet Union and USA. After Japan DOW'd me i started moving naturally towards the allies, not alot though like 6+ to 2+ or something.

Whats the best way to raise threat as Nat China and get into wars early IF you plan on joining the Allies. Joining the Axis its easy, as soon as you join you can DOW Mars if you wanted. I figured raising threat on the UK would be counter productive, Japan doesnt seem to work much...

 

[gunstickuncle]

The targets you need in terms of threat raising are rather rare for CHI if it want to get pushed away from Axis. You would need an Axis member with democratic (blue ideology group) or socialist ruling party (red group). You could try Siam, if they already are Axis and are still ruled by Democrat Party, as well as Romania or Finland if they are already Axis. All of these are unlikely to help early.
As long as JAP and Manchukuo hold so many cores of CHI, there should be a penalty on Axis-drift. As there should be (in smaller amounts) on Allies-Drift for Hong Kong and the French colony in Guangdong. Sometimes onely one of them is shown, sometimes none. Do they have effect even when not shown? I don't know.

Maybe you should forget about the Axis threat and focus on only lowering your neutrality, which should be done most effectively by raising threat on UK. They are of another ideology group, share your land border and have quite an amount of IC. They even hold Chinese cores in Guangdong, but I am not not sure this will have significant impact on their threat to you.
Note that this will to a small amount also help Germany and Italy, but they already are on relatively good laws rather early, so the impact should not be devastating.

Can you list the individual contributions from your diplomatic triangle tooltip?

 

[21oliver]

Im already in a new game.... I dont think (cant rem) having played too much vanilla Nat China since TFH...In FTM i think we raised threat on the UK, im just not sure how that will come into effect in regards to aligning to them. Although as Germany i raise threat on the Soviets all the time and still have great trade relationships..maybe in the next game ill try that, cant hurt.

 

[21oliver]

Next game..I raised threat on Comm China & the UK, that enabled me to DOW Comm China by Oct'ish, everyone else on my border shortly thereafter...stull drifting towards the Axis, probably until Japan jumps. But if they dont?

 

[sunsterson]

im just saying, maybe you can recycle some of your older threads instead of posting a new one every time.

For example use the one you asked about japan being scared or something.

 

[21oliver]

Sorry if it offended you. My thoughts are sometimes scattered and i get focused on something and dont see the big picture. Ill try better.

Something interesting in the above game...Once i conquered Comm China, Shanxi, Tibet and Xibei San Ma, i started drifting to the allies... at no time was it a result of say the Axis influencing me and stopping or anything like that either.