NA - Initial feedback

[Calculus]

"If you want a proper system, you can mod it in!"

If someone mod a proper system for us, will Paradox share our $20 payment with them? I can't believe it! Paradox just "add" some option on NA and they are basically unplayable. Not mention how Paradox fix the issue in EU3 AI get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation, now you NA player has a option to get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation just like AI. How genius they are!

 

[unmerged(1823)]

If someone mod a proper system for us, will Paradox share our $20 payment with them? I can't believe it! Paradox just "add" some option on NA and they are basically unplayable. Not mention how Paradox fix the issue in EU3 AI get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation, now you NA player has a option to get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation just like AI. How genius they are!

So you want both historical and then normal monarchs and leaders in the same option?

We implemented a system that was EXACTLY as the Eu2 system as people wanted and screamed "WE WANT EU2 MONARCHS+LEADERS" back..

 

[Darth Tracid]

if you want more leaders when using the historical option, just mod them in - even I can do it (and I´m not a good modder). If you want to generate random leaders, don´t use historical ones. simple as that.

 

[spl]

Does anyone know if any of the options (like not using historical leaders) will work in mp?

 

[Faeelin]

I'll admit, I'm dissapointed; I genuinely thought you'd see historical events.

 

[unmerged(1823)]

Does anyone know if any of the options (like not using historical leaders) will work in mp?

they should.. worked fine when we tested.

 

[unmerged(1823)]

I'll admit, I'm dissapointed; I genuinely thought you'd see historical events.

I said it repeatedly whenever asked that there would be no new determenistic events.

 

[Darth Tracid]

If someone mod a proper system for us, will Paradox share our $20 payment with them? I can't believe it! Paradox just "add" some option on NA and they are basically unplayable. Not mention how Paradox fix the issue in EU3 AI get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation, now you NA player has a option to get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation just like AI. How genius they are!

so implementing exactly what the customers wanted is what you can´t believe? Well ok then

 

[spl]

they should.. worked fine when we tested.

Very glad to hear this, thanks for clarifying

 

[Elmokki]

so implementing exactly what the customers wanted is what you can´t believe? Well ok then

Either customers don't know what they want or their requests were largely misunderstood according to the forums.

 

[Calculus]

so implementing exactly what the customers wanted is what you can´t believe? Well ok then

I, for myself, don't want get free merchant/colonist/spies/inflation just as AI do. All I want is AI pay for merchant/colonist/spies/inflation just as player do. Can you implement it?

 

[Markusw7]

Running with this option means more historical flavor, at the expense of some gameplay-options like succession wars, royal marriages and inheritances as they will not serve any purpose.

From one of the Dev diaries you were told in advance.

 

[unmerged(514)]

So you want both historical and then normal monarchs and leaders in the same option?

We implemented a system that was EXACTLY as the Eu2 system as people wanted and screamed "WE WANT EU2 MONARCHS+LEADERS" back..

Now for the serious stuff, Johan... After this excellent expansion, how about giving modders some control over the AI in a future patch?

 

[Calculus]

So you want both historical and then normal monarchs and leaders in the same option?

There is no fun to go with all historical option for far. Why can we go with historical leaders, but player should be able to hire random leader? So does RM with historical monarch.

We implemented a system that was EXACTLY as the Eu2 system as people wanted and screamed "WE WANT EU2 MONARCHS+LEADERS" back..

I bet all they want is something more like eu2 and also PLAYABLE(means fun to play this game). Not EXACTLYE like eu2.

 

[Arilou]

From one of the Dev diaries you were told in advance.

I actually understand royal marriages/inheritances, don't make any sense without the random monarchs.

But the leader-mechanic? Not only is it not mentioned, it is counterinuitive.

That said:

When installing NA my graphics ended up FUBARED. Icons overlapping or being assigned incorrectly etc. etc. I had a clean install so it's not about mods interfering.

So, not a good first impression.

EDIT: Not to mention that in EU2 you *could* propose royal marriages, so it is not exactly the EU2 system anyway....

 

[Athas]

Now for the serious stuff, Johan... After this excellent expansion, how about giving modders some control over the AI in a future patch?

Yeah, the only thing I miss from EU2 would have to be country-specific AI, and I don't understand why it's not in, as it should mostly "just" be a matter of stuffing weight variables into the AI calculations.

 

[Featauril]

It is disappointing, yes. Again, I think it defeats the purpose of using the historical options at all. Takes too much out of the game that could reasonably have been left in.

Which is why the option wasn't there in vanilla EU3.

But as people complained, they gave the option to have it EU2 style.

I bet all they want is something more like eu2 and also PLAYABLE(means fun to play this game). Not EXACTLYE like eu2.

EU2 was playable. What exactly makes the system unplayable in EU3?

Frig, take historical monarchs and normal leaders if you want that.

 

[Carewolf2]

So you want both historical and then normal monarchs and leaders in the same option?

We implemented a system that was EXACTLY as the Eu2 system as people wanted and screamed "WE WANT EU2 MONARCHS+LEADERS" back..

Ehh. No!

Maybe you never played Eu2, so let me clue you in: There were royal marriages in Eu2, diplo-annexations, not to mention historic events.

 

[Arilou]

Which is why the option wasn't there in vanilla EU3.

But as people complained, they gave the option to have it EU2 style.

The problem is that it almost feels like they are doing the entire Monkey's Paw thing and deliberately "misunderstanding".

(It should be noticed that I have been arguing for traidition *and* scripted leaders *since before EU3 came out* so I'm not exactly willing to just let it stay at "this is what you wanted!" it was kind of what I *expected* though....)

The problem is that (the leader issue) really isn't something that (it seems) would have been that hard to fix: Just have a checkbox for "scripted leaders" and one for "Military tradition" and then you can click either, or both, or none and end up with no leaders whatsoever.

 

[Txini]

Ehh. No!

Maybe you never played Eu2, so let me clue you in: There were royal marriages in Eu2, diplo-annexations, not to mention historic events.

Ehm....he made EU2....