I admit my knowledge on wars solely in europe,especially central and northern europe, at this time is not the best, but you should update your knowledge on pre-Meiji Japan because you are really about the only one who can't see the parrallels between the two. Again I never said its a perfect 1:1 match. Nothing is.FAL said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_years_war
The Thirty Years' War was a conflict fought between the years 1618 and 1648, principally on the territory of todays Germany, but also involving most of the major continental powers. My emphasis.
Update your HRE knowledge. You really are out of your league with suggesting Japan had a similiar impact on the world.
No it didn't have a religious war, but you sir really do need to brush up on your hiostory of Japan. numerous time it has been said Japan had been involved in wars outside itself during this period, in this very thread, yet you can't seem to get that into your head. Wars including China which itself is enough to consider all of Europe combined pretty much.FAL said:The HRE was not only the area where Protestantism was founded, but also the area where bitter wars of religion were fought.
But, more importantly, this was not just a war in the HRE by HRE minors, but a war where major nations outside the HRE got involved as well.
Sweden, France, Austria, Spain etc. all fought bitterly in the HRE. And that's only 30 years we're talking about now.
Japan had none of that in it's entire eu2 existance.
Not really. No more so than anything else.FAL said:Isn't that a disputed viewpoint?
Now yourcomparing it to the balkans which, except for a breif period was almost entirely under ottoman rule?FAL said:I am not ignoring you. I am still trying to get convinced why Japan is of similiar importance as the HRE. Or even the Balkan.
When I am, I won't object to so many Japanese tags anymore.
Yes the balkans played a major role in history, but that would come much later. This era it was just a regional thing. Next you'll be saying Navarra had more impact on world history...
As to the HRE i said it probably wasn't quite on par, but close. The HRE didn't directly change world history and not one indivisual member did anything notable world-wide. The same is true with Japan, just slightly less-so.
Potentially it could have far more, on the scale of Portugal or so in its own way. That didn't happen of course, so don't go saying i'm now saying the actual Japanese history is comprable to Portugal, but potentially it could have been. More than any other state, even perhaps china, its impact really came down to luck as to Oda being the right man who didn't end up dying at the right time.