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Twoflower said:
These are the renamings that seem to be agreed on for the AGCEEP's future map. Since they IMO generally are better province names, you might want to implement them in Mymap as well:
- Lusatia --> Lausitz (if you're going with local names everywhere; otherwise provinces like Oberösterreich etc. would have to be renamed)
- Thuringia --> Thüringen
- Würzburg --> Unterfranken
- Ansbach --> Mittelfranken
- Bayreuth --> Oberfranken
- Kassel --> Niederhessen
- Darmstadt --> Oberhessen
- Mainz --> Rheinhessen
- Württemberg --> Wirtemberg
- Hanover --> Calenberg
- Braunschweig --> Lüneburg
- Carinthia --> Kärnten

I can justify all of these if requested, but am too lazy right now ;)
I want Carinthia to stay Carinthia. :(
 

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"Hermannstadt" was spelled wrong, I remember. (I think you spelled it with one 'n').

Also somewhere, we agreed that it would be better to merge Ansbach+Bayreuth to Oberfranken, and use the province to split Landshut from Niederbayern (which would be renamed into Straubing), but I guess it would be better if Twoflower commented on this/provided some sketch of how the border would look like.
 

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agung pasha, according to Administration as you requested of me, MyMAP will not be able to use "dead" forums such as AGC as a base for its threads.
 

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agung pasha, according to Administration as you requested of me, MyMAP will not be able to use "dead" forums such as AGC as a base for its threads.
ok, how about first option then.
Modification and renamed province base on previous post was done. tell me if i miss something.
And is there any request for minor update ?. :D
 
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I e-mailed you some corrected .inc files for a few Southeast Asian nations. Mostly, it adds "known provinces" so new lands are not hidden by terra incognita.
 

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almoravid said:
"Hermannstadt" was spelled wrong, I remember. (I think you spelled it with one 'n').
"Sachsenland" or "Szászföld" actually would be a better name for that province. That's how the area covering that province was called as an administrative unit in the 19th century, and before at least the name of the county that Hermannstadt was situated in.
Also somewhere, we agreed that it would be better to merge Ansbach+Bayreuth to Oberfranken, and use the province to split Landshut from Niederbayern (which would be renamed into Straubing), but I guess it would be better if Twoflower commented on this/provided some sketch of how the border would look like.
I don't know if it was agreed on anywhere, however we could agree on it here ;)
Merging Ansbach+Bayreuth to Oberfranken would probably be good, there is not much need for representing the two separately and we don't want to overpower early Brandenburg.
I'm unsure as to whether a separate Landshut province would be good. On the one hand, this would allow for representing the pretty wealthy state of Landshut and the internal Wittelsbach conflicts during the 15th century, it would allow for including the War of Landshut which took place from 1503 to 1505 and was a pretty large and important conflict and it would result in a stronger Bavaria, but on the other, it would eat up a country tag and I'm inclined to prefer, as a base for province divisions, "organic" territories (like Oberbayern and Niederbayern) over often rather coincidental partitions or conquests.
Almoravid requested a sketch of how the border would look like. Since I'm a legasthenic in graphic editing, I'm not particularly good at doing sketches. What I can provide you with is a rather good map from the internet. The light blue part is Bavaria-Landshut, the turquoise (or is it just a darker blue? whatever, I'm also colourblind ;) ) part Bavaria-Straubing.
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agung pasha said:
So three provs merge become one . then split other. and now we have one free id in german. give it to sea provs, live up faroe islands or split up another important provs in german or british isles. i have no clue for that :)

Far Oer borders are already created on the map ...
why losing time to create a prov from nothing?
 

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Elio Vasa said:
Far Oer borders are already created on the map ...
why losing time to create a prov from nothing?
Ok if there is no objection i will live up Faroe then.
Btw i've template of Europe map anyway, less than ten minutes work to add or remove provs from that area or another modifcation ;).
 

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Just merge Ansbach and Bayreuth.

This would be the rearrangement I had in mind:

bayern2.jpg

... but somebody knowing more on Germany should comment.
 

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almoravid said:
Just merge Ansbach and Bayreuth.

This would be the rearrangement I had in mind:

bayern2.jpg

... but somebody knowing more on Germany should comment.
While already in the process of redoing South Germany, you should also get rid of the connection between Tyrol and Breisgau. Gaining the connection between their Austrian holdings and the Vorlande that they always lacked was one of the most important long-term goals of the Hapsburgs during the 15th and 16th centuries. This strategic element should not be eliminated from the game by having an ahistorical connection. Therefore add the eastern part of the Breisgau province to Wirtemberg.
 

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Twoflower said:
While already in the process of redoing South Germany, you should also get rid of the connection between Tyrol and Breisgau. Gaining the connection between their Austrian holdings and the Vorlande that they always lacked was one of the most important long-term goals of the Hapsburgs during the 15th and 16th centuries. This strategic element should not be eliminated from the game by having an ahistorical connection. Therefore add the eastern part of the Breisgau province to Wirtemberg.

Indeed, I always wondered why it was given to Breisgau, but I thought MKJ was more competent. I'll redraw it quickly. It means no Danube prolonged, but still it's more correct that way.
 

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almoravid said:
Indeed, I always wondered why it was given to Breisgau, but I thought MKJ was more competent. I'll redraw it quickly. It means no Danube prolonged, but still it's more correct that way.

The reason I drew Breisgau connected with Tirol is because there were a smattering of very small states there who weren't part of Wirtemburg or Tirol, but I didn't want Switzerland to border any German minors (who always seem to get gobbled up in the Habsburg-Swiss wars).

Also, the Habsburgs DID own a smattering of very small posessions throughout that area, and doubtlessly lorded over the microstates they neighbored.

Though from that map, if you made it so you can't attack across the lake, then that wouldn't be an issue. In which case I fully support the map above.

Also, Wirtemburg is pretty big now, maybe we can give a bit of its western territory to Baden so it isn't quite so small.
 
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Mad King James said:
The reason I drew Breisgau connected with Tirol is because there were a smattering of very small states there who weren't part of Wirtemburg or Tirol, but I didn't want Switzerland to border any German minors (who always seem to get gobbled up in the Habsburg-Swiss wars).

Also, the Habsburgs DID own a smattering of very small posessions throughout that area, and doubtlessly lorded over the microstates they neighbored.

This however would prohibit correct Napoleanic borders. Also, now we can have negative aggressiveness, swiss expansion will hopefully be less of an issue.
 

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almoravid said:
This however would prohibit correct Napoleanic borders. Also, now we can have negative aggressiveness, swiss expansion will hopefully be less of an issue.

Read my edit above.

The swiss should be reasonably aggressive, and the Habsburgs should definitely make the attempt to reclaim their ancestral lands.