MyMAP ( 400 new provinces)

[rybka]

I did some check in austria event files
here i list changes that should be made

-event #The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia#
line: command = { type = addcore which = 842 }
should be romoved

- event #The Edict of Restitution# line
owned = { province = 842 data = -1 }
should be replaced with owned = { province = 327 data = -1 }

- event #The Defenstration of Prague#
line: command = { type = revolt which = 842 }
should be changed to command = { type = revolt which = 327 }

- event #The Edict of Restitution# again change 842 to 327

-event #The Winterking of Prague#
line: command = { type = addcore which = 842 }
should be deleted

- event #Inheritance of Bohemia (after the extinction of the Podiebrad or Rozmberg dynasties)
line command = { type = addcore which = 842 }
should be deleted

- event #Inheritance of Bohemia (after the Death of Ulrich of Rosenberg)
same as above

- event #The Bohemian throne
same as above

- event #Inheritance of Bohemia
same as above

 

[Mad King James]

Nobody wants to read the posts, oh no, noone wants to understand the issue, heavens no! We're just going to invent what others might have said and hold them responsible for that.

Seriously, MKJ, could you read my original post and point me to where did I bitch about accent marks? Or perhaps my latest post in which I clearly say that I'm against them could give you a clue..?

Sorry, I flipped out there a bit, I thought you were restarting the accents thing and lost it. I apologize.
I agree as well, the Thorn bridge event makes no sense.

 

[Halibutt]

Sorry, I flipped out there a bit, I thought you were restarting the accents thing and lost it. I apologize.
I agree as well, the Thorn bridge event makes no sense.

NP. As to my problems with Fate of Livonia event chain, it seems commenting it out solves the problem, so the bug is most probably there - yet I can't see it in the files. Any ideas?
Cheers

 

[Optimatus]

The provinces Rwanda and Burundi have the Congolese culture. That is not correct. The Eastern provinces of modern Congo had the "Banyarwanda" culture = Tutsi culture (Batutsi). It might be a good idea to correct the cultural denomination of Rwanda and Burundi in "Rwandan" or "Burundian" or, maye better, "Burundian and Rwandan". Both "Mwami-doms" were very isolated and had a very special culture.

 

[Jebus]

Maybe, there should be an event where Autria annexes and gets cores (existance of Salzburg not required) after +/- the date of the Battle of Auterlitz - historically, they annexed Salzburg around that time as compensation for the loss of Tirol to Bavaria.
Or perhaps +/- the date of the Vienna conference would work even better.

I know it's a bit late in the EU timeframe to even bother - but still...

 

[Halibutt]

Maybe, there should be an event where Autria annexes and gets cores (existance of Salzburg not required) after +/- the date of the Battle of Auterlitz - historically, they annexed Salzburg around that time as compensation for the loss of Tirol to Bavaria.
Or perhaps +/- the date of the Vienna conference would work even better.

I know it's a bit late in the EU timeframe to even bother - but still...

Well, for a CPU playing Austria Salzburg doesn't seem like a tasty piece of cake. Around the time my Poland diploannexed Austria (mid-1690s) Salzburg was still alive and kicking, with even some foothold in the Reich and - tadda! - one colony on African shore (don't ask me how did they get there). So, perhaps it indeed needs some regulation.
Cheers

 

[rybka]

Sorry, I flipped out there a bit, I thought you were restarting the accents thing and lost it. I apologize.
I agree as well, the Thorn bridge event makes no sense.

did you read this event??
becouse of lack of " at the end of decription actions were taken from next event, thats why regigion changes etc, the event can only increase or reduce population in thorn!

 

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I did some check in austria event files
here i list changes that should be made

-event #The Habsburg Inheritance of Bohemia#
line: command = { type = addcore which = 842 }
should be romoved

- event #The Edict of Restitution# line
owned = { province = 842 data = -1 }
should be replaced with owned = { province = 327 data = -1 }

- event #The Defenstration of Prague#
line: command = { type = revolt which = 842 }
should be changed to command = { type = revolt which = 327 }

- event #The Edict of Restitution# again change 842 to 327

-event #The Winterking of Prague#
line: command = { type = addcore which = 842 }
should be deleted

- event #Inheritance of Bohemia (after the extinction of the Podiebrad or Rozmberg dynasties)
line command = { type = addcore which = 842 }
should be deleted

- event #Inheritance of Bohemia (after the Death of Ulrich of Rosenberg)
same as above

- event #The Bohemian throne
same as above

- event #Inheritance of Bohemia
same as above

Will be done. Could you please check the Austro-Silesian interactions?

 

[rybka]

Will be done. Could you please check the Austro-Silesian interactions?

ok
also some time ago i listed changes that should be done in all bohemian (3) event files, i said i can send changed files (there were to many small changes to list), but herr doctor asked to list them and he said he will change files himself, still these changes are not present in mymap
it was usually not correct province ids, 842 was used instead of 327 or tabor city was placed in hradec instead of sumava etc (nothing really big)
i have files changed by me, ill try to test them once more with recent version of mymap, and i should send them to you nex week

 

[Tunch Khan]

Just wanted to remind people that I am still working on the Kingdom of Turkey (as they are now called) events. So far, it's allright and works as planned, but needs heavy tweaking and additional events, leaders, graphics.

I am planning to make an additional set to be incorporated with the original game (Cem Sultan events) after taking out the cores in South Italy and the Kingdom of Turkey event. What do you guys think of it so far?

On a completely independent topic, I am not sure of the benefits of the artificial Dalmatian culture and the division of the Italian culture as south and north. Could someone simply brief me about them. (I was not convinced from the Venezian language post).

 

[Toio]

On a completely independent topic, I am not sure of the benefits of the artificial Dalmatian culture and the division of the Italian culture as south and north. Could someone simply brief me about them. (I was not convinced from the Venezian language post).

A simplistic version

The old "yugoslav" area was inhabited by a culture called Illyrians for over a 1000 years, when the serbs and croats started migrating into this area in and around 700AD , the illyrians where "consumed" into being slavs, this took many centuries. in the meantime, the romans left behind on the coastal areas (up to 60k from the coast) their latin people (from BC times) to mix with these illyrians whose tribe was called the dalmai (or something similar, I can find out), this name was used as to call these people dalmatians.

When the OE started making inroads in to the serbian/slavic areas in the 15 and 16 centuries, the slavs (many) fled into these coastal areas and towns for protection and slowly turned the dalmatian area into a slavic area.

The dalmatians (illyrians) kings kept there language and culture intact as best they could until sometime into the 18th century.

simplied ?? :rofl:

On a footnote , the Albanians claim to be the southern illyrians from a tribe called the ambai IRL

- Dalmatians are not artifical

- on the northen italy and south italy issue. I recently discoverd from my french and italian trip, that the only dictionaies currently in print within these nations are

french - brittany
french - savoy
french - occitan

and in italy, only

italian - veneto (venetian)

you can make your own conclusions from these

 

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On a completely independent topic, I am not sure of the benefits of the artificial Dalmatian culture and the division of the Italian culture as south and north. Could someone simply brief me about them. (I was not convinced from the Venezian language post).

I can't speak to the Dalmatian portion, but I can to a degree on the North/South Italian.

North Italians are descended from a mix of Germanic Lombards and native Latins and the Neapolitans in the South are more akin to Latinized Greeks. In the North the head movement made to indicate "yes" or "no" is the one that we are most familiar with in the West: Up and down for "yes" and side to side for "no". But in during the timeframe of the game and to a much lesser degree today the movement in the South was based on the old Greek head movement of a short uptick of the head to indicate IIRC "yes" and a sharp downtick for "no" (could be the other way around it has been awhile since I had to recall this bit of trivia).

They also did not for span of the game view the other as fellow countrymen and had substantially different world views in some areas. If you use as an analog or simile that a culture is produced by various ingredients and has a flavor much like a recipe in cooking, they did not have the same ingredients and far different flavors even though they did share a common ingredient.

The one that doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me is the break up of German into sub-groupings that although linguistically speaking has some merit (but logically should then include the Low Countries in the "Low German" category for at least a century or so in the game); has none from a purely cultural one. Whether a German in 1419 resided in Dusseldorf, Berlin, Muenchen, or Wien (and for a sizable portion of the 15th century Brugge, Amsterdam and Antwerp) identified AS German and shared a common world view. They considered themselves all part of the same Volk in a broad sense. The Dutch began to spin off after the Burgundian inheritance in part because of new influences being injected into their society on a local level and a certain amount of isolation from the rest of the Empire in some meaningful ways.

Now I can understand the usage of Swiss to reflect the regions independent streak and have no problem with it. I also have no major issues with Dutch in the earliest portion of the game because it is just a little easier to not have to write an event or come up with a date to fire it off on to change the provinces in the Low Countries to Dutch. But Low, Middle and Upper German are linguistic distinctions not cultural ones (well at least in a truly meaningful cost you 30% of the tax revenue and reduce the manpower of a province kind of way).

And if it is done to Germany it should be done to France as well which has during the frame of the game as stark a difference in the regions that comprise its' territory as their are in Germany.

That all being said, I have found it to be interesting in a kind of annoying way

 

[lucaluca]

Well, they wouldn't convert, but they would rather retreat to their old capital in Bursa. A Ottoman Empire without muslim religion would be inherently weak. Also, when the Ottomans are strong enough they shouldn't be forced to move merely by acquiring their capital. Their powerbase in the Balkans should have disappeared before such an event would pop up. Also, Constantinople converting to catholicism/orthodoxy after Mehmed II would have been a bloodbath.

Actually Mehemed II was very close to convert to orthodoxy (end maybe even catholicism), and he was always considered as "unfaithful" by fellow turks for his graecophilia... so these events are not pure fantasy actually, but alternate history.
The effects of such an event... well I don't know, big unrest of course but I think that it could had been "digested" by turks over time.

I even think that Ottomans would have been converted if they had ever conquered Rome.

 

[Mad King James]

I think Catalan should be really renamed "Occitan" and introduced in Occitan and Francoprovencal regions.

I don't think we really need to distinguish between middle and high germans, or low germans and Dutch. For that matter, we don't really need to distinguish between Danish and Swedish, and could remerge Norwegian as well if we really wanted to.

 

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I think Catalan should be really renamed "Occitan" and introduced in Occitan and Francoprovencal regions.

I don't think we really need to distinguish between middle and high germans, or low germans and Dutch. For that matter, we don't really need to distinguish between Danish and Swedish, and could remerge Norwegian as well if we really wanted to.

I agree. A handy way of defining whether or not there truly NEEDS to be a cultural distinction between your named groups is if they held the same level of vitriolic enmity towards each other that Protestants and Catholics held for the other during the time frame. My reasoning is that different religion also incurs the same tax hit as different culture; and given the number of religious wars of the period a revenue and manpower hit makes perfect sense.

But would a North German State being ruled by a Southern dynasty elicit the same kind of feeling in the population? I don't think that the history bares out on that one.

 

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I just came across a bug. I don't know whether it is mymap specific of has crept into the AGCEEP, my guess is that it is mymap specific; when founding Germany you instead Germinyan a minor Turkish state.

How would I go about fixing this in my install?

 

[Van der Gent]

Change the GER tag into Germany.

 

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Anatolia/Germiyan - Germany

Ottoman Empire has annexed Germany.

 

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another one that I have come across that I can't remember the fix that I used last time is the refounding of Bohemia after the conclusion of the Hussite wars.

Everytime the coronation in Prague event fires the game CTD. But if you manually fire an event and inherit ROM you can release BOH as a vassal no problem. The Hussite event has the same problem, neither one can reestablish Bohemia without the game crashing.

Anyone know a fix for this?

 

[rybka]

another one that I have come across that I can't remember the fix that I used last time is the refounding of Bohemia after the conclusion of the Hussite wars.

Everytime the coronation in Prague event fires the game CTD. But if you manually fire an event and inherit ROM you can release BOH as a vassal no problem. The Hussite event has the same problem, neither one can reestablish Bohemia without the game crashing.

Anyone know a fix for this?

in my game yesterday, coronation in prague event fired, capitol was moved to prague with no problem

but i modified (corrected) some events, but im quite sure not the coronation event. there is also one thing that bothers me, in mymap agceep during hussite wars the biggest revolt risk in moravia, while it was very loyal and very catholic to the sigismund, i will check if it was also a case in pure agceep, maybe its just error in prov id