I just noticed that there was a province in Patagonia ( Chubut ) with base tax 6, is this a bug or is there a good reason for? (I don't think so, becouse it is now one of the richest provinces of south America, which I think it wasn't)
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Very nice work Agung! The map/cultures/religions around Balkans/Asia Minor are the best ive ever seen them.
just a few small things to make it perfect though:
-Croatia shows as having Serbian as its national culture instead of croatian
-Karamanoglu was discussed as culturally wipeing out greek culture within its territories (turkish language only laws, etc), and that is why we decided that it was one of the only places on the map that turkish/orthodox mix was appropriate (for the turkish culture/speaking orthodox greeks there). I'm happy to see its costal province with turkish/orthdox but greek needs to be removed from their national cultures. They repressed all other cultures/languages but turkish.
-Trebizond: I understand that the actual province was armenian population and am happy to see it have that culture now. I just think that if all the petty turkish states to the east have armenian as a national culture, Trebizond should too. I'm sure they worked well with their orthodox armenian brothers there.
Everything else looks great! (well Thessaly could do without romanian culture, but I think we need more light shed on that situation first I suppose)
But good job, its so nice to see Armenians back alive in eastern asia minor and Greeks back alive in western asia minor as they should be back in that age! I cant wait to play some games as Byzantium (editing out romanian culture from them of course
) and Safavids.
I hope some folks run handsoff games soon. Im curious to see how Mamlukes will do now that they are sunni and have arabic culture to manhandled all their Egyptian provinces with.
p.s./edit: wow I looked through the safavid events, and you even fixed them so they get turkish..but later get things switched so Persian becomes the main culture! You think of everything Agung, thanks! We all so appreciate your hard work!
just a few small things to make it perfect though:
-Croatia shows as having Serbian as its national culture instead of croatian
-Karamanoglu was discussed as culturally wipeing out greek culture within its territories (turkish language only laws, etc), and that is why we decided that it was one of the only places on the map that turkish/orthodox mix was appropriate (for the turkish culture/speaking orthodox greeks there). I'm happy to see its costal province with turkish/orthdox but greek needs to be removed from their national cultures. They repressed all other cultures/languages but turkish.
-Trebizond: I understand that the actual province was armenian population and am happy to see it have that culture now. I just think that if all the petty turkish states to the east have armenian as a national culture, Trebizond should too. I'm sure they worked well with their orthodox armenian brothers there.
Everything else looks great! (well Thessaly could do without romanian culture, but I think we need more light shed on that situation first I suppose)
But good job, its so nice to see Armenians back alive in eastern asia minor and Greeks back alive in western asia minor as they should be back in that age! I cant wait to play some games as Byzantium (editing out romanian culture from them of course
) and Safavids.I hope some folks run handsoff games soon. Im curious to see how Mamlukes will do now that they are sunni and have arabic culture to manhandled all their Egyptian provinces with.
p.s./edit: wow I looked through the safavid events, and you even fixed them so they get turkish..but later get things switched so Persian becomes the main culture! You think of everything Agung, thanks! We all so appreciate your hard work!
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They did not repress Greeks living in their provinces, they just enforced Turkish language for government and official purposes. Had it been the case, the Greeks would have never became Turks by their own wills and be happy about it, while still preserving their own religion.Nicophorus said:
They were much tolerated, but very low in numbers. So they mixed and mingled with the Turks, soon mixing their own culture with the Turks.
Even today, if you take out the religion and language aside, it is very very difficult to identify who is Turk and who is Greek. Their culture is very very similar.
Those who are opressed or discriminated, tend to mix less and preserve their identities stronger (see Jews in Middle Ages Europe, Turks in Germany, Arabs in France, etc.)
With that argument we need to give every country on the planet with at least 1 greek living in it and without a constitution that says "kill greeks on sight" greek culture.
First you tell us the Karamans forced minorities to "turkifiy" culturally, then you tell us Karamans should have greek culture. :rofl:
Modern turkey should get kurdish as a state culture too, since they are not "repressing" kurdish people just "they just enforced Turkish language for government and official purposes".
Here is the first paragraph of the wiki entry on Karamanoglu to go along with your quote in the previous paragraph:
"Beylik of Karaman or of Karamanoğlu (Karamanoğulları in plural), also called Karamanids was the first Turkic kingdom to accept Turkish as its official language. Speaking any language aside from Turkish was prohibited. Karamanid was the most powerful kingdom in Anatolia, after the Ottoman Empire."
Since the Greek langage is one of the keystones of Greek culture... I would not call that being very progressive towards the greeks in Cappadocia and Karaman.
Lets try and be objective here ok?
First you tell us the Karamans forced minorities to "turkifiy" culturally, then you tell us Karamans should have greek culture. :rofl:
Modern turkey should get kurdish as a state culture too, since they are not "repressing" kurdish people just "they just enforced Turkish language for government and official purposes".
Here is the first paragraph of the wiki entry on Karamanoglu to go along with your quote in the previous paragraph:
"Beylik of Karaman or of Karamanoğlu (Karamanoğulları in plural), also called Karamanids was the first Turkic kingdom to accept Turkish as its official language. Speaking any language aside from Turkish was prohibited. Karamanid was the most powerful kingdom in Anatolia, after the Ottoman Empire."
Since the Greek langage is one of the keystones of Greek culture... I would not call that being very progressive towards the greeks in Cappadocia and Karaman.
Lets try and be objective here ok?
Tunch Khan said:
Yeah right, Turks in Germany are opressed and discriminated against ...
And yes, after reading this Wikipedia article I wouldn't give them Greek culture ...
What about the Aromanians in Thessaly now?!?!
Have you converted to Islam and started wearing a fez? Eh? Eh? I DIDN'T THINK SO! RACIST
Ok, playtested the map:
- What exactly is the difference between Dutch and Low German culture? In reality there is none ... is it to prevent the Netherlands from expanding into northern Germany later?
- Kosovo is still wrong.
- The city in the Bulgaria province shouldn't be called Vidin but rather Silistria.
- Achaia should be independent (capital Patras). Maybe remove some unimportant African/American state for that.
- Remove Romanian culture in Thessaly.
- In Italy the city Padova (in the Veneto province) should be renamed to Padua. Same goes for Mantova (Mantua). These are the historical names.
- Make Brabant and Liege Dutch. It looks unrealistic having a thin French province jutting ahistorically into the German dialect continuum ...
- Why is the city in Western Bohemia (forgot the province name) called Görlitz? shouldn't it be Eger or Pilsen?
- What exactly is the difference between Dutch and Low German culture? In reality there is none ... is it to prevent the Netherlands from expanding into northern Germany later?
- Kosovo is still wrong.
- The city in the Bulgaria province shouldn't be called Vidin but rather Silistria.
- Achaia should be independent (capital Patras). Maybe remove some unimportant African/American state for that.
- Remove Romanian culture in Thessaly.
- In Italy the city Padova (in the Veneto province) should be renamed to Padua. Same goes for Mantova (Mantua). These are the historical names.
- Make Brabant and Liege Dutch. It looks unrealistic having a thin French province jutting ahistorically into the German dialect continuum ...
- Why is the city in Western Bohemia (forgot the province name) called Görlitz? shouldn't it be Eger or Pilsen?
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TheLoneTaco said:
All religions hold no value to society except for one's individual spiritual faith, you cannot get a passport on religion, you can change religion every minute of your life and no one cares. So it's useless in politics and society. And I state again , it should be a private spiritual thing that you keep to yourself.
Only being a citizen of a nation does that hold any value.
Converted to islam, lol, now I am , now I am a buddha, now I am a catholic, now i am orthodox, what should I be tomorrow??? lol, lol, who cares what faith you are except yourself.
you can change your religion at any time , but you cannot change your citizenship without going through the proper channels as well as being accept by another nation.
Basileios I said:
???They are Padova and Mantova , thats the correct spelling in Italy
Toio said:
They are Padova and Mantova , thats the correct spelling in Italy
I think it is the modern version of the names. Just like "Puglia" is for Apulia today.
The correct historical names are Padua and Mantua AFAIK.
Achaia is a waste, if we have free tags then split Ghazi into Tekke (with Tekke and Menteshe) and Germiyan (with Anatolia and Smyrna) or have Liege or Metz or Hainaut.
any of you up for mp right now or soon?
i will check this thread again in 1h or so
i will check this thread again in 1h or so
Isn't Hainault still in as a revolter? U10 iirc.
Also, could the graphics for Trier and Genoa be changed to the ones BJ put in the GRT?
Also, could the graphics for Trier and Genoa be changed to the ones BJ put in the GRT?
Brabant should be Dutch and Liege (Luttich) should be French, Basilleos. You can read your own maps, can you?
Fortuyn said:Brabant should be Dutch and Liege (Luttich) should be French, Basilleos. You can read your own maps, can you?
Yes, but the Liege province on MyMap shoots far into the Dutch/German area. The city itself is in the French area, but the province as it is drawn on MyMap should be Dutch or Middle German (not sure).
Basileios I said:
Thats becouse it also covers Limbourg (part of the Liège in that time), but I think french was still the mayor culture in that part. Otherwise it would have to be dutch ( The Limbourgois were more linguistic and culturally more dutch than german )
Stinus said:
They are Middle German (according to my map). At that time (1419) there was no distinction possible between "German" and "Dutch" regions. There was no standard Dutch and no standard German yet, just a lot of dialects related to each other (that's why it's called a dialect continuum
). These dialects are grouped into Low German (Flemish, Dutch, Low Saxon ...), Middle German (Ripuarian, Saxon, Silesian ...) and High German (Alemannian, Austro-Bavarian ...).Limburgish.
Here's where they speak Limburgs:
* Ostlimburgisch (Eupen-Kerkrade-Heinsberg-Mönchengladbach-Viersen-Krefeld (Krieewelsch))
* Niederbergisch (Düsseldorf-Mettmann-Solingen-Remscheid)
* Wesnederlimburgs (gij-Limburgs) (Hasselt-Tongeren)
* Noordnederlimburgs (ik-Limburgs) (Venlo, Roermond und Umgebung)
* Centraalnederlimburgs (Genk-Maastricht-Sittard)
Stinus said:
Get your facts straight before you react. The Duchy of Limbourg was part of Brabant (conquered) and it was never part of Liege in the EU 2 period. Also, the Limburgers were more german then dutch.
Probably Middle German is the right culture for Liege. It's really hard to say because Liege was really between so many spheres of influence. German influence, French influence and Dutch influence.
Basileios I said:They are Middle German (according to my map). At that time (1419) there was no distinction possible between "German" and "Dutch" regions. There was no standard Dutch and no standard German yet, just a lot of dialects related to each other (that's why it's called a dialect continuum
Well, actually you'r right there, but this makes it very difficult to decide which culture they would be. Nowadays is the limbourgois dialect more similar to dutch than german, but I don't know if that was also the case during the EUII period.