MyMAP ( 400 new provinces)

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In regards to Liege, why was decided to be part of Cologne? Did the bishopirc have close ties with their dukes? If no, perhaps the region be made to represent Limburg (part of Brabant, later Burgundy), or made an independent single province Prince-Bishopirc of Liege.

don't know.
what about historic view of that?
and independent single province was not possible. there is no more free tag for that.

 

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Ah, that's the reason why then.

Is the POI (purhe) tag being used? It looks like an Aztec revolter from 1419-1530, kind of seems like a waste. It doesn't start independent or revolt from any historical events.

 

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but a romanian movement in those cities didn't exists til Michael the Brave in XVII century. QUOTE]

say what!?
iwill not get into this AGAIN, but please provide a strong historical document for such a claim . lol

btw, i keep seeing in every version hungary getting more and more claims all around.

 

[Van der Gent]

What's that sprite in Venaissin? A Mummie?

 

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Like I said earlier, Romanians in Tranylvania where completely rural people. The only ethnic Romanians of any social status where ones who converted from Orthodoxy to Catholicism. Romanians where the outright majority in Tranylvania with large Hungarian and German minorities living in cities or ethnic enclaves but these minorites controlled all the power of representation within Tranylvania itself while the Orthodox Romanians where bereft of any political ambition or presence.

i agree

 

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Ah, that's the reason why then.

Is the POI (purhe) tag being used? It looks like an Aztec revolter from 1419-1530, kind of seems like a waste. It doesn't start independent or revolt from any historical events.

Purhepecha already exist in 1419

What's that sprite in Venaissin? A Mummie?

Budhis Apache Papal

 

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how the f*ck comes romanians are the major culture in a province the middle of greece?

i think he meant to call it "aromanians" wich are ONLY related to romanians; but in those old times the relation was stronger.( it goes to before 1419 when there was a bulgarian-walachian "empire" that lived for a few decades, etc.

however i believe that aromanians were a MINORITY in greece no? or maybe that SPECIFIC province got the most of them?

 

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Tomorrow morning
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They weren't Bulgarians, the Kingdom of Bulgaria was the "Empire of Bulgarians and Vlachs". The Bulgarian kingdom effectively had Romanian culture.

correct. i will add that the "romanian/bulgarian" kingdom had some very intreasting rules such as alternate monarchs from vlachs and bulgarians.as byzanthum empire shrinked more and more the bulgarians and romanians had an effective state untill the ottomans brought that to an abrupt and swift end basically.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Could we make Hermanstadt, Muntenia and Oltenia mountain provinces? Hermanstadt should have mountains, no question, but giving Muntenia and Oltenia mountains would represent the Carpathians that cover the Wallachian-Hungarian border and represent the geographical advantage the Wallachians had defending against repeated invasions by the Turks.

BTW Agung, can we have a world map that shows all the IDgrids around the world?

 

[Nicophorus]

so which changes will go into the new version? Alot was said in the thread about alot of different issues...I wonder which ones influenced Aung the most..we see tomorrow

p.s./edit, I just HAVE to know why Safavids do not have Turkish culture? 35% of Iran even today is ethnic turk/turk speaking (Azeris), and back then it was more so..adn the leaders where turkish too~! I wont repeat all my suggestions for the newest map, they are already in this thread..but can someone tell me why Safavids do not have turkish..and have "pashtun" instead?

 

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Tomorrow morning
version 1.61 in RAR arhieve
bye

Please rename Somerset, Gloucestershire. That's all

 

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Could we make Hermanstadt, Muntenia and Oltenia mountain provinces? Hermanstadt should have mountains, no question, but giving Muntenia and Oltenia mountains would represent the Carpathians that cover the Wallachian-Hungarian border and represent the geographical advantage the Wallachians had defending against repeated invasions by the Turks.

BTW Agung, can we have a world map that shows all the IDgrids around the world?

yup we could

p.s./edit, I just HAVE to know why Safavids do not have Turkish culture? 35% of Iran even today is ethnic turk/turk speaking (Azeris), and back then it was more so..adn the leaders where turkish too~! I wont repeat all my suggestions for the newest map, they are already in this thread..but can someone tell me why Safavids do not have turkish..and have "pashtun" instead?

Don't know. Maybe you should ask in AGCEEP thread.

Please rename Somerset, Gloucestershire. That's all

Ok.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

yup

That's good, hopefully that may solve some problems. Also could you make Craiova the city for Oltenia?

Also PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE but the capital of Castile in the right province! The capital of Castile was the city of Valladolid in Leon until it was moved to Madrid later!

 

[Tunch Khan]

I'd like to take this last chance to come up with/ or remind some more suggestions if we have time:

- The Kingdom of Cyprus was a Roman Catholic Crusader kingdom. State cultures: French (nobility) and Italian (Genoese merchants). Province culture and religion: Greek/Orthodox.
A small minority Roman Catholic population of the island was mainly confined to some coastal cities, such as Famagusta, as well as inland Nicosia, the traditional capital. Roman Catholics kept the reins of power and control, while the Greek inhabitants lived in the countryside; this was much the same as the arrangement in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The independent Eastern Orthodox Church of Cyprus, with its own archbishop and subject to no patriarch, was allowed to remain on the island, but the Latin Church largely displaced it in stature and holding property.

- Republic of Ragusa was a Roman Catholic city state. State cultures: Italian and Croatian. Province culture and religion: Croat/Catholic.
The Republic of Ragusa accepted Hungarian suzerainty with the Peace of Zara (Zadar) of 1358, therefore should start as a Hungarian vassal.

- Ghazi is a fictional state to represent Aydinoglu, Germiyan and Teke Beydoms (Principalities) combined (for the lack of tags). Ghazi should not have Kurdish as a state culture, but they should have Turkish and Greek, as Greeks and Turks lived side by side in peace for their duration.

- Cephalonia is a fictional name to stand for the Despotate of Epirus, whose rulers were Roman Catholic Italians. State culture and religion: Italian and Greek / Catholic. Provinces Greek/Orthodox.
In spite of Maurice's victory over Carlo in 1412, the Albanians failed to take Ioannina. On the contrary, not long after killing Maurice in battle in 1414, Carlo advanced on Arta and obtained its surrender in 1416. Arta was entrusted to Carlo's younger brother Leonardo II, and now the Tocchi controlled all major towns in Epirus. In 1415 he was granted the title despotes by the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos.

- Bursa should better start with Turkish as province culture and Sunni religion. It has been a capital and major Ottoman cultural center since 1326.

- Caucasian would be much better if split to Circassian and Armenian. (Hope it's not much difficult top steal a one or two province African culture and replace it with native).

- Kilikia, Van, Armenia, Kharput and Yerevan should have Armenian culture and Orthodox religion.

- Mamluks would be less effective without Arab as a state culture. Instead they can have Circassian and Turkish.

- Dulkadir, Akkoyunlu and Karakoyunlu would be better with Armenian as second culture and Kurdish as a third.

- Can something be done to increase overall colonization of the world? I ended one game with %80 of the available provinces uncolonized, mostly in north america.

- Can something be done to numb Morocco a little to prevent them over-achieving everytime?

- Safevids should gain eastern cultures (if they must) only after the capital is moved to Qazwin or Isfahan, or else they gain an unhistoric upper hand against Mughals. Turkish can easily be given to them at the Safevid starting event, and taken away when they move the capital (in return for gaining two eastern cultures: Peshtun and Baluchi). This is the best possible solution to simulate their history IMHO.

- In the current version, if the Eastern Anatolian provinces are going to remain Caucasian and Kurdish, then Ottoman Empire should receive these cultures after the conquests of 1514. It may look nasty on the interface, but Armenians especially were nicknamed the "Loyal Nation" of the empire (Millet-i Sadik). At least Armenian should make it in.

 

[Nicophorus]

and add greek/orthodox to Menteshe (narrow Ionian costal land) when you take it away from Bursa~

@ Tunch

 

[Mad King James]

- Cephalonia is a fictional name to stand for the Despotate of Epirus, whose rulers were Roman Catholic Italians. State culture and religion: Italian and Greek / Catholic. Provinces Greek/Orthodox.

Fictional? What's fictional about it? That's what it was called. Despot of Epirus was one of his titles, but the country itself was "the Principality of Cephallonia and Arta"

 

[Toio]

- Cephalonia is a fictional name to stand for the Despotate of Epirus, whose rulers were Roman Catholic Italians. State culture and religion: Italian and Greek / Catholic. Provinces Greek/Orthodox.
In spite of Maurice's victory over Carlo in 1412, the Albanians failed to take Ioannina. On the contrary, not long after killing Maurice in battle in 1414, Carlo advanced on Arta and obtained its surrender in 1416. Arta was entrusted to Carlo's younger brother Leonardo II, and now the Tocchi controlled all major towns in Epirus. In 1415 he was granted the title despotes by the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos.

I think you are confused, Cephalonia is an island and Epirus is the mainland

Cephalonia is not fictional and is part of the Ionian island with Zante, Ithaca, Santa Maura, corfu etc

Cephalonia brief history below:
Its was during this time that Count Matteo Orsini ruled Kefalonia (Greek spelling) alongside Count Vetrano from 1194.
When the Venetians executed Vetrano a decade later, Orsini put all his possessions under their rule although it was not until some years later, after the fall of Constantinople in 1204, that the Venetians finally claimed the island as their own.
Venice retain all the Ionian Islands (except santa Maura, Lefkakus in Greek) until 1797

IIRC the house of Tocco did not rule any of these islands

The film Captain corelli's violin is a true story from the island of Cephalonia

 

[Mad King James]

I think you are confused, Cephalonia is an island and Epirus is the mainland

Cephalonia is not fictional and is part of the Ionian island with Zante, Ithaca, Santa Maura, corfu etc

Cephalonia brief history below:
Its was during this time that Count Matteo Orsini ruled Kefalonia (Greek spelling) alongside Count Vetrano from 1194.
When the Venetians executed Vetrano a decade later, Orsini put all his possessions under their rule although it was not until some years later, after the fall of Constantinople in 1204, that the Venetians finally claimed the island as their own.
Venice retain all the Ionian Islands (except santa Maura, Lefkakus in Greek) until 1797

IIRC the house of Tocco did not rule any of these islands

The film Captain corelli's violin is a true story from the island of Cephalonia

What a crap history of Cephallonia, and you're completely misinformed by the way. You've made the classic error of assuming that history unmentioned is history uneventful. Here's a rather more detailed one from http://www.foi.org.uk/islands.php?island=zak&page=history

The Venetians launched several attacks on Zakynthos and the Ionian islands during the Crusades, until they finally took control in 1209, incorporating the island once more into the Principality of Achaea.

Maio Orsini - Count Palatine of Kefalonia and Zakynthos - was in command of the island\'d5s administration.

One of his first changes was to replace the Greek Orthodox Bishop, Agapios, with a Latin one.

Some twenty years after the islands came into to the possession of Naples, in 1337, they were given over to the control of Leonardo Tocco, Prince of Florence, in gratitude for services to Naples.

In order to ally himself further to Rome, Tocco attempted to impose the Catholic faith onto the inhabitants of Zakynthos, persecuting Greek Orthodox clergy and forcing the people to convert.

They were not reinstated for nearly a century.

With the Turks attacking the island, one of Tocco\'d5s successors, Leonardo II Tocco, perhaps in fear that it might encourage civil war, reinstated the Orthodox priests and ordered them to elect a bishop.

The Turks, under the blood-thirsty Ahmed Pasha, had already sacked Kefalonia and Ithaca, slaughtering or selling into slavery the majority of their inhabitants.

Having made some attempt to build up the defences of Zakynthos, Tocco left the island, selling much of his land to the Venetians before leaving.

Sailing through Ionian waters in 1480, the Venetian Admiral Loredano was granted permission by Pasha to evacuate Zakynthos.

The whole population of the island was moved to safety in the Peloponnese.

In 1485 the Turks agreed to allow Venice to occupy the island - at a price of 500 Ducats per year.

Venice was to recoup their money in later years by demanding that Zakynthians export wheat to the value of 500 Ducats to Venice each year until their 'debt' was repaid.

The Venetians were to rule Zakynthos for nearly three hundred and fifty years.

The island was so under-populated by the time of their arrival, that the Doge of Venice offered tax exemptions, titles and other privileges to Venetians who would relocate to the island.

There were enough people taking up the offer to swell Zante\'d5s population once more.

Venetian culture is deeply embedded in that of the island; in its art, music, fashions, laws, health and education systems and architecture.

Even the alternative name to the island, Zante, was coined by the Venetians.

It was the Venetians who introduced the tomato to the island and, clearing the woodlands, instigated a huge programme of olive tree and vine planting in the Ionian.

Grapes were crucial to the economy of the island.

Under Venetian law, only two crimes carried the death sentence - treason and current smuggling! Vineyards still cover large areas of the island.

Stafides vines grow grapes used for drying and ambelia vines are used for wine production.

The social system of the Venetians and wealthy Zakynthians impoverished the majority of the island\'d5s inhabitants who rose up against the nobility in the Rebellion of the Populari (1628).

This was probably the first popular revolution in Europe and they successfully took control of the island for four years.

Despite the fact that Venice was still able to collect taxes throughout this period, dignitaries were sent across the water to take control once more.

During the seventeenth century a considerable number of Cretian artists took refuge on Zakynthos, as the Turks occupied their native island during the Cretian wars.

The Ionian School of Painting was founded on Zakynthos, out of which came artists such as Kantorinis and Douxaras.

In the eighteenth century, wo national poets, Andreas Kalvos and Dionysios Solomos, were born on the island.

Solomos, who was known as the Poet of the War of Independence wrote the poem, Hymn to Liberty, which was later set to music as the Greek National Anthem.

The song cult of Kantades flourished in the eighteenth century and this Italianate singing, accompanied by Mandolins and string instruments, can still be heard on Zakynthos today.

 

[Basileios I]

What about Romanian culture in Thessaly now?

I agree with what someone posted before. They weren't the majority in all of Thessaly, merely in the mountainous region between Epirus and Thessaly.


So let's make Thessaly Greek ...