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Van der Gent said:Just noticed thessaly has Romanian culture, make it greek.
That was discussed some time ago, and it was considered to be correct.
how the f*ck comes romanians are the major culture in a province the middle of greece?
Van der Gent said:how the f*ck comes romanians are the major culture in a province the middle of greece?
Aromanians
Van der Gent said:how the f*ck comes romanians are the major culture in a province the middle of greece?
You do get some odd people about, mate.
There was (and still is) a Romanian minority there, although I don't think they formed a majority there in 1419. I would make the area Greek, too.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Map-balkans-vlachs.png
Looks like they shouldn't be in thessaly, but in the province to the west of it.
Looks like they shouldn't be in thessaly, but in the province to the west of it.
Van der Gent said:how the f*ck comes romanians are the major culture in a province the middle of greece?
I am also wondering how that is...
agung pasha said:
Kosovo is too far to the east. It should be where Rashka is now.
Van der Gent said:
That's because after WWI almost all the Aromanians living in Greece where forced to leave their homes in a 'population exchange' scheme and mostly move to Dobruja. Historically Thessally was home to many, many Aromanians, so much so that the region was called Great Wallachia (Greek: Μεγάλη Βλαχία Megale Vlachia; Romanian: Vlahia Mare) or Thessaly Wallachia from the 12th to 13th century and again later in the 13th century.
Van der Gent said:
That's because the map shown in Wikipedia is of the Modern distribution of Aromanians, not the 15th century distribution of Aromanians.
Semi-Lobster said:
Do you have a source which backs your claims that they were a majority in 1419?
We should make all Greeks, Romans (Rum), so it won't matter wether if they speak Latin, Greek or Turkish.Basileios I said:
Van der Gent said:
They weren't Bulgarians, the Kingdom of Bulgaria was the "Empire of Bulgarians and Vlachs". The Bulgarian kingdom effectively had Romanian culture.
Basileios I said:
Oh well in that case let's go ask the medieval balkan census department...
Oh wait that's right, it doesn't exist.
Yeah, I thought it was something like that, just a little confused on the wording. As it stands, however, when Austria annexes Bohemia (in either the mid-15th ahistorical version, or the 1526 version) it does NOT get cores on any of the Bohemian vassals (just saying this to help with bugfixing, not as criticism).
Also, what is the policy on the cultures with which Austria ends up? Currently it receives Magyar and Czech along with Upper German, but what are we thinking in regards to Croatian (creek, I believe), Sorbian (inuit?), or Slovak? A case can be made for Croatian (I've heard Ljubjana was almost like a mini-Vienna). I also recall reading that all possible owners of the Sorbian provinces would get that culture.
Finally, IIRC, Slovak was included in the old Austrian culture set. Obviously some thought should be put into this, as Austrian could theoretically ed up with six cultures, which seems a bit overkill.
I'm trying to get all these bugfixes/suggestions/queries in from my Austria game. Another thing I noticied is that if Austria inherits Milan (ahistorical) in 1519, it gets cores on Brescia, Lombardy, and Ticino but not Valletina (Sondrio) which is a core of Milan and owned by the Italian state. Also, what about Dalmatia? Should Austria get a core on this at some point? I ask because I don't know, but looking at maps I know they get that province at some point in the game.
Not sure of such a generic department but you would be surprised to see the records of the Ottoman Census Department.Mad King James said:
They were keeping detailed records of every household in the empire from the number of people (men and boys only) to the number of sheep, other livestock and the type and amount of crops that was being raised for taxation and Janissary conscription purposes.
Tahrir defters (15th and 16th centuries): There are about 1,500 of these registers covering large areas from Central Europe to Caucasus. These were compiled at intervals varying from 10 to 30 years. They basically contain three kinds of information:
a) the names of settlements, urban and rural, in given province with tax paying population of these settlements, as well as tax-exempt people, in two categories households, and unmaried adult males;
b) the kind and amount of taxes to be collected from agricultural production, estimated on the basis of an average production of the previous three years, and other kinds of economic production, market and custom dues, fines from crimes, and personal taxes imposed on all adult males; and
c) the names of the persons or institutions to which these tax revenues were allocated.
Yes, the sheep were counted, but women were not for very practical purposes.
The only issue was Ottomans distributed their people according to Millets which was defined not by the language, but by their faith:
Moslems (Sunni) - Muslim Turks, Kurds, Albanians, Bosnians, Arabs all fall under this category
Greek Orthodox - Greeks, Bulgars and Serbs go here
Armenian Orthodox - Only Armenians because they had a seperate church
Roman Catholic - Italians, Catholic Greeks and Catholic Albanians
Jews
No Shiite population was recorded, as they were constantly persecuted as heretics.
Also, unfortunately, Vlachs (or Aromanians) fell into different categories according to their religion and thus never recorded as a seperate nation.
Modern nationalism divided the Vlachs in other ways. Once contained entirely within the Ottoman Empire, the various Vlach territories were dismembered along with that Empire through most of the 19th century in order to form or enlarge the modern Balkan nation-states. The Vlachs were by no means passive in this process: When the cession of Thessaly from the Ottoman Empire to Greece was proposed in 1881, a large number of Vlachs joined to petition the Sultan in protest. The document cited their fears of assimilation by the expansive Greek state, as well as the fact that the new border cut right across the main north-south migration route for transhumant Vlach shepheds. But their protests went unheeded. By 1918, the Vlachs were effectively divided among Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, and what was to become Yugoslavia. Mass migrations created diaspora communities in America between 1900 and 1920 and, and in Romania between 1920 and 1940. Vigorous assimilation was the rule everywhere, and after the Second World War, it seemed that the Vlachs' disappearance as an ethnic group was imminent.
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