People like you make me rage.
You don't even own Hoi3, and you're ranting about it? Wait what?
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People like you make me rage.
You don't even own Hoi3, and you're ranting about it? Wait what?
And you say all this based on the forum reactions, without any first hand experience.
Why shouldnt he have first Hand experience?
a) he could own HOI3 but not registering it
b) he could, like me, have owned HOI3, but gave it back due to the desolate state of the game to watch if this gets better up to a point where one can enjoy it.
And even if he never owned the game, he could read in the forum to gain an overview. There are enough voices in this, and other fora (forums?), about the state of the game.
I for myself owned the game at one point, but with the help of Frederick i was able to redo that.
And well, since they discontinue the fixing of HOI3 im reliefed to have done that. That once again told me to never be an early adaptor.
Im now hoping that Semper Fi will indeed fix all the problems and then that there will be a package of the game + Semper Fi for a reasonable price.
a) he could own HOI3 but not registering it
b) he could, like me, have owned HOI3, but gave it back due to the desolate state of the game to watch if this gets better up to a point where one can enjoy it.
And even if he never owned the game, he could read in the forum to gain an overview. There are enough voices in this, and other fora (forums?), about the state of the game.
I for myself owned the game at one point, but with the help of Frederick i was able to redo that.
And well, since they discontinue the fixing of HOI3 im reliefed to have done that. That once again told me to never be an early adaptor.
Im now hoping that Semper Fi will indeed fix all the problems and then that there will be a package of the game + Semper Fi for a reasonable price.
That's how I know. Reading a forum is not first hand experience, and considering the arrogant tone of some forumites, it can be pretty misleading. Also, highlighting the failures of the game is an important step in fixing them, but only reading about the downsides is not the full picture.
I tried the demo. Ive read the forum posts. Ive listened to the complaints. Ive owned lots of other similar games with exactly these issues before from other developers. How long has the game been out now? Is it fixed or even mildly playable? This is why I havent bought it. So you are saying only if I waste my money on it I have a right to compain about patches that fix the game being charged for?
Unlike some people here I dont have a load of money to throw around. I have to be very careful when I buy a game. And I cant afford to buy loads of patches to fix things that should be fixed for free.
I am glad I didnt buy the game - which origina/ly was down to the fact it looked bloody horrible (and still does). I didnt know then what I know now about the fact the game doesnt work in several large areas. I am glad I didnt waste my money then. I am annoyed that if I was to buy the game now I would have to pay extra for a patch to make it work.
Thats how I feel, I am not a fanboi I dont like being taken for a ride by anyone. Paradox are not being very fair to their fans in the way they are acting here. They are becoming yet another Ubisoft or Creative Assembly. I havent forgotten the money I wasted on Empire Total War. But at least CA released free patches and addons to make up for that debacle.
it´s everybody´s right now to buy the game.
but saying you have the right to complain about something you didn´t buy and "demanding" action on it is...questionable.
let the people who HAVE bought it do that, please, as they are the only ones that can fully see the situation.
but saying you have the right to complain about something you didn´t buy and "demanding" action on it is...questionable.
let the people who HAVE bought it do that, please, as they are the only ones that can fully see the situation.
...and also you will see I posted a thank you to Paradox and the modders for their work on HOI2 on the Doomsday forum - which is an outstanding game.
I appreciate Paradox creating these games, if they work as they should, but they are treading a very narrow line here between good business sense and exploitation with HOI3. It isnt all that difficult to make games like this work - a bit of AI scripting is all that is required. There isnt, as others have said, having major graphics to work on so all their time can be spent on the gameplay and AI. There is no good reason why HOI3 cannot be made to work properly with a bit of good AI rescripting. The modders out there have done similar things with HOI2 mods so whats Paradox's problem?
If they had released Semper Fi to include updated graphics, free sprites packs, thorough AI update and a completely new element to the gameplay I wouldnt be complaining. But just adding some new events and a bit of AI tinkering (and it sounds like it still doesnt work very well from the AAR to me) - thats not worth paying for.
I appreciate Paradox creating these games, if they work as they should, but they are treading a very narrow line here between good business sense and exploitation with HOI3. It isnt all that difficult to make games like this work - a bit of AI scripting is all that is required. There isnt, as others have said, having major graphics to work on so all their time can be spent on the gameplay and AI. There is no good reason why HOI3 cannot be made to work properly with a bit of good AI rescripting. The modders out there have done similar things with HOI2 mods so whats Paradox's problem?
If they had released Semper Fi to include updated graphics, free sprites packs, thorough AI update and a completely new element to the gameplay I wouldnt be complaining. But just adding some new events and a bit of AI tinkering (and it sounds like it still doesnt work very well from the AAR to me) - thats not worth paying for.
Basically, yes. Because, you know, otherwise it's non of your business. You are free to not buy anything from Paradox anymore, though.
(Called Napolen: Total War. But that's off topic.)
There's a common missconception around here. People feel that if they already bought something, then they are entitled to have it fixed, and improved, and what-not forever. Market economy doesn't work that way. You payed for what was in the box at release, it's that simple. You can argue about the price/quality ratio of HoI3 at release, and I agree, it was very poor (although that improved quite a lot with the decrease in price and the release of patches along the way). You can also argue about the marketing 'hype', and not giving you what's on the box-cover of the game or the feature-list. I also agree with that too, and that's why I don't play vanilla HoI3, only mods.
I don't agree on the other hand with the claim, that you are entitled for anything other than what was in the orignal release, because you payed exactly for that. (If HoI3 would break your computer, or something radical like that, it would be an entirely different situation, but that is clearly not the case.) Asking a bunch of people to work for free for months is a bit extreme, don't you think?
And here's something to read, regarding the financial situation of Paradox:
No it isnt and the fact a moderator is saying that to me, is IMO, questionable. I have just as much right to compain about this issue as anyone else. I dont have to buy the game to be in on the facts. In fact quite the opposite - if I had bought the game I would have returned it by now anyway so the question is academic.
actually i am pretty sure i don´t have the right to complain to a car maker if an aquaintance of mine has problems with his car, but whatever.
Well this is just a complete joke! If they cannot afford to release the kind of games they are making properly then they deserve to go under. YES absolutely if they release a game that doesnt work as it should then they MUST fix it. Otherwise they are not going to stay in business for long.
CA released several free addon units to say sorry for their mess that was ETW - which incidentally took a year to 'fix'. NTW was a compeltely separate expansion that featured a completely new campaign, scenario and loads of new units - that is what I call a buyable expansion (not that I bought it after ETW of course).
Im not buying any game in good faith to purely pay good money to developers to keep them afloat long enough to fix it. Jesus what do you guys think this game business is, a bloody charity? I would love to write and release games myself as a job but I know I didnt have the necessary skills to do it which is why I dont. If I buy a game or any other product I expect it to work flawlessly. Loads of firms are doing it with console games that cannot be patched. They can do it for the PC if they put their minds to it.
This is why PC gaming is dying off. Stupid developers attitudes to their business. Look paradox could have quite easily released HOI3 with a limited set of scenarios and a good AI whilst they worked on a proper campaign. That would have made sense. The fact they overstretched themselves is their fault not mine.
This is why I havent bought HOI3 and I, as I have said, will check any future releases very carefully before I buy them after this.
Unless by "nature" you mean the fact that SF is supposed to fix capital features in HoI3, I really don't think I have made a single complaining comment about SF. But that is not a complain about SF, it is a complain about leaving HoI3 in 1.4 state. Again, we disagree about the quality of 1.4, but we both have the right to do so.
Now is your chance to show that you actually know what you are talking about and embarrass me with some examples about my "hateful complains" of SF. Take that as an intellectual challenge You don't even need argumentative skills for this one :rofl:.
No, it is not a PI thing. I complain and praise the games that deserve so. You can guess what I think HoI3 deserves.
Incidentally, that goes for other much more important matters, such as politics, social policies and social inequalities, environmental issues, geopolitical and militaristic tensions, and so on.
I guess you are the conformist type that will never care enough to produce the minimum input that could lead to any change. Fine if it suits you, but not me.
Hate? It is a freaking game! You very easily (and wrongly) interpret criticism as hate. If you are unable to differentiate between both, well your loss.
I can criticise my government without hating them. How could I? I don't even know them!
+1.
People that claims themselves as the "defenders of HoI3" (in reference to "defender of the faith"
) might not want to understand what the OP said. To me it is clear. He, as many others (me included), would have gladly paid for SF and the new features it adds ... IF it had not been completely tied to solving capital issues in HoI3. As for the OP, there is a moral boundary that prevents me from buying SF at the present time. I am sending a message to PI and their policy. I might very well buy it in 2/3 years together with the future expansion if forum non-biased reviews find them worth it.Of course, anybody is free to send a different message and pre-order/pay full price for SF. Their call.
Well I have already spoken by withholding my money. I complain purely because I would like to buy the game. Presently that is impossible. If I didnt care I wouldnt even be here. I am sure Paradox realise the need to listen to all their potential market not just the people who buy their games otherwise they will go down. My mam says I could have been an actor or a model but did I listent o her - of course not. She is completely biased! Need I say more?
Completely disagree.
You DO NOT pay for what is in the box. You DO pay for what the box says it is in. Those are two very different things.
Plenty of examples come to mind, but they will be reputed as stupid, so please, make your own.
If you haven't bought HOI3 you have absolutely no background to talk about it. No game experience means no ability to complain about the game. Very simple.
Why can you judge about HOI3?
- Do you have played the demo? If yes then you have to play the real game because the demo doesn't represent the game with patch 1.4 anymore.
- Are you reading the forums and the complaints of some notoric whiners? Sorry, but this is no background to discuss anything. Try the game and make your own research. Otherwise nobody will take you seriously.
- Do you have pirated the game and are now complaining about it? Bai, bai my friend...
Then that policy should be added to the rules, otherwise, forum members cannot know about it.
That's not true, they don't have to fix it. You buy what's in the box, if you don't like it you can return it. which is what you did, so I'm not sure why you're upset about it?
Now you could argue they should fix it, but I'd say they already improved it a lot with patches. I won't say 1.4 is perfect, but it's totally playable.
And for the record, there were no free addons for ETW that I know of, the units packs and Warpath you had to pay for, and NTW was a standalone expansion, that base game was abandoned at that point leaving some terrible bugs. You can't play a GC with NTW.
IMHO, i think that a 1.5 its a must, at least, with the fix for surrender crashes and some other bugfixing that are in in SF.
Anyway, ill buy SF, so i really dont care.. but for the rest of ppl.. :F
edit: i dont know if "must" sounds so "hard" or something like that..i dont want to say that its their obligation. thanks for not misunderstanding the post. Poor english
Anyway, ill buy SF, so i really dont care.. but for the rest of ppl.. :F
edit: i dont know if "must" sounds so "hard" or something like that..i dont want to say that its their obligation. thanks for not misunderstanding the post. Poor english
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