My TC is to high!

[hristo]

Hi everybody!

Playing as Germany in the GC I have taken out: Spain, France, Benelux, Yugoslavia (released Croatia), Greece, the whole of Poland, Denmark. Released Flandern as my puppet.

Im now at late summer of 43, and Im standing deep into Russia (Leningrad, Moskva and Stalingrad has fallen. Heading towards Baku). My TC is 1100/600! I have around 30 pnzr divs and 15 mechs. I do have alot of brigades, around 25 SP ART. All the techs that helps get your TC up.

So, is there a way to get a decent TC as Germany? I hope so...but I really dont think that.

 

[Mork]

Man, there should be a TC tutorial that anyone posting on these fora shuld go through, even those not playing Hoi2.

Anyhoo, the way to get TC is:

1. More IC, any way you can. Which means IC+ ministers, building IC, IC+ tech and IC+ slider moves (central planning).

2. Research.

You can lessen your load by grounding your planes, not moving your units, give control over your units to Logistical Wizards and so on.
One important factor is to not have anything in the redeployment queue.

 

[hristo]

Man, there should be a TC tutorial that anyone posting on these fora shuld go through, even those not playing Hoi2.

Anyhoo, the way to get TC is:

1. More IC, any way you can. Which means IC+ ministers, building IC, IC+ tech and IC+ slider moves (central planning).

2. Research.

You can lessen your load by grounding your planes, not moving your units, give control over your units to Logistical Wizards and so on.
One important factor is to not have anything in the redeployment queue.

Well, I knew all that. But I still cant get enough TC.

 

[Mork]

Don't build that many units, but 1100/600 still seems a bit high for 40 something units. Have you any land improvements in your deployment pool?

 

[talin]

So, is there a way to get a decent TC as Germany? I hope so...but I really dont think that.

Less armor and more infantry will ease your TC burden. Armor is a huge supply and fuel hog, even more so if you use offensive supply. One improved medium armor division use a total of 9.6 fuel and supply, 30 armored divisions use 288 TC, 15 improved mechanized divisions use 87 TC.

 

[unmerged(56735)]

partisan effect maybe ? put your old units on anti partisan duty, or better , build garrison with mp brigades, and put them on anti partisan. To see where partisans are on high revolt risk, use the partisan map.

 

[unmerged(49243)]

Hover your mouse over the TC figure. I bet around a third of your TC "consumption" will come from partisans, right? You need to build garrisons with MP and put them in occupied areas to reduce partisan levels, thus helping greatly with the TC...

 

[juv95hrn]

I find it quite historical that a Germany with a front line where you describe it has huge supply problems so it's a problem that you are meant to solve, realistic, balanced and there to prevent the all too easy WCs of HOI1.

 

[blue emu]

Do you have any Dissent? Lowering your Dissent to zero will make a huge TC difference, by its dual effect on Partisan numbers and IC total.

 

[Red Boxer]

You're doing fine.

Your TC is high, but if you continue the war elsewhere after Barbarosa, it will get higher. Much Higher. Lay out a heavy net of Anti-Partisan troops across the Russian lands, that will help quite a bit. In fact, roll over your TC breakdown, and look at where your TC is going, then react accordingly.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

Look at your TC tooltip and analyze what it says. You have a lot of armored and mech div which really hurts your TC. I used 18 Pz with 12 motor and no mech.

Build garrison div to reduce the effects of partisans on your TC.

Download and review the TC FAQ at Wiki for more information about what causes TC problems and what you might be able to do about it:

http://hoi2.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Transport_Capacity_and_Supply_Efficiency_FAQ

 

[bizkit]

also redeployment pool may be an another problem for TC

 

[Mihail]

Am I the only one who loves crippling problems that effects your nation? I find losing and being defeat alot more fun then being able to easily sweep across europe.

 

[The_Kaiser]

Quick question, does liberating countires (other than partisan activity) help your TC load?

 

[unmerged(56735)]

Quick question, does liberating countires (other than partisan activity) help your TC load?

AFAIK, no. That's even a minus if you don't count the partisan activity, since you'll be losing IC points, thus TC points.

 

[alpreb]

As many have said your problems is mainly partisans, but you should not worry too much about TC. Why? Is does reduce combat ability for all units. By where you are now, your troop experience in combat all over europe should compensate the ESE deficit. The loss in org. regain is a factor, but since the AI is really slow at gaining the land doctrines early, so german org. is much higher so no problem.
Also you should be capturing the Ussr capital soon (has a terrible long name ) and this really cripples the Red Army. The IC rich provinses should soon be in your graps, and then USSR will have High TC if they still have an army.
In single player TC is much overrated. Strategy is worth more

 

[unmerged(50037)]

AFAIK, no. That's even a minus if you don't count the partisan activity, since you'll be losing IC points, thus TC points.

Are you kidding? It helps a lot.. Take into a count that you only get 20% of the IC from annexed nations..

 

[unmerged(40162)]

Are you kidding? It helps a lot.. Take into a count that you only get 20% of the IC from annexed nations..

mhh. but 20% more ic means more than 20% TC.

so for TC it helps not to release a country if i understand right. maybe for more troops.

 

[blue emu]

Quick question, does liberating countires (other than partisan activity) help your TC load?

Depends on the situation.

Occupied (but not Annexed) Territory imposes a constant drain on TC called Occupied Territory Maintenance. Releasing a swath of occupied territory will remove this drain. Note that this does not apply to Annexed territory.

Partisans can be an even bigger drain... and releasing a puppet will eliminate the Partisans in the area concerned. This applies to both Occupied and Annexed territory.

The two main draw-backs to releasing a puppet are the loss of captured ICs (and therefore lower TC) and the Dissent hit for releasing, which varies from 0.5% for Democracies to 5.0% for Totalitarian regimes.

To balance that, you get lower TC drain from OTM (if the area was Occupied, not Annexed) and fewer Partisan provinces... plus, you get a puppet who feeds you resources (everything over a stockpile of 1000 units) and builds units for you, as well as an occasional blueprint.

Puppeting is a good option when you are dealing with a large area of low-IC, high-Resource, high-Partisan Occupied (not Annexed) territory... like the Ukraine. It can also be a good option if the prospective puppet has good Tech Teams... like Scandinavia.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

mhh. but 20% more ic means more than 20% TC.

so for TC it helps not to release a country if i understand right. maybe for more troops.

I suggest that you download and review the TC FAQ to understand this better. The math is quite different from that. Look at your TC tooltip during Barbarossa to get the specifics in your game.

You basically get a little more IC from conquered territory and there is a 2x to 3x TC mutltiplier for that extra IC. But the extra TC can more than be offset by Occupied Territory Maintenance costs for each each province (about 1 TC point) plus almost 4 TC costs for unsuppressed partisans in each province. So you would need every conquered province to average more than 10 IC for that conquered IC to offset your increased TC costs.

When you liberate, you get rid of both the OTM and partisan cost, but you do get dissent which you should reduce immediately. After reducing the dissent, your TC will improve. As Blue Emu points out, liberate the areas with high persistent partisan levels, but do not liberate the areas with very low partisan levels such as Western Europe.

While you might be able to get away with bad TC and low ESE and still get the Bitter Peace, you might want to better understand how TC works:

http://hoi2.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Transport_Capacity_and_Supply_Efficiency_FAQ