My son leaves for the Varangian Guard...?

[ealbaek]

My son and heir to the Roman Empire leaves my court for the Varangian guard, not a month after my old ruler (the grandfather) dies and my current one (the father) takes over. Wtf? Why on earth would he leave court for the Varangian Guard? And I wasn't aware your heirs could just go autonomous like that...? :S

 

[Dracko81]

He would of accepted an invite to their court. He like them more then you, and the Varangian guard probably really dislikes you and will revolt. Since he has your son and hier in his court and can use him as a general and imprison at will, it puts that character in a nice position when civil war breaks out.

 

[Panjer]

I really want this to be an actual feature.

 

[Mods]

He would of accepted an invite to their court. He like them more then you, and the Varangian guard probably really dislikes you and will revolt. Since he has your son and hier in his court and can use him as a general and imprison at will, it puts that character in a nice position when civil war breaks out.

the varangian guard can't revolt against the emperor right? they're mercenaries

 

[Sopot]

They invited him. The biggest reason he would have left is because you are unable to press his claims for the empire.

 

[cpteveros]

Is stuff like this only for the Byzantine expansion?

 

[Frozen_Predator]

Is stuff like this only for the Byzantine expansion?

nope this is bullshit that happens with long living rulers, your grandchildren also get claims on succession so will leave your court at the first invite, usually from a weak count or someone else in absolutely no position to press their claims.

 

[Comradebot]

the varangian guard can't revolt against the emperor right? they're mercenaries

They most certainly can revolt, as they're still vassals. I've seen them and the Mamluks do it plenty.

 

[grisamentum]

the varangian guard can't revolt against the emperor right? they're mercenaries

Yes, they can revolt against the Emperor. They're mercenaries but also vassals. You can be both.

 

[grisamentum]

nope this is bullshit that happens with long living rulers, your grandchildren also get claims on succession so will leave your court at the first invite, usually from a weak count or someone else in absolutely no position to press their claims.

Well why don't you cry about it?

 

[Heartsbane]

Interesting development, makes sense if he was invited I guess.. A bit OT but I think it would be cool if there was an event where the children of Nordic and Anglo-Saxon lords could join the Varangian Guard and leave for the ERE.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

Interesting development, makes sense if he was invited I guess.. A bit OT but I think it would be cool if there was an event where the children of Nordic and Anglo-Saxon lords could join the Varangian Guard and leave for the ERE.

Yes, I was just thinking that. Start a poll or something.

 

[GothicEmperor]

Interesting development, makes sense if he was invited I guess.. A bit OT but I think it would be cool if there was an event where the children of Nordic and Anglo-Saxon lords could join the Varangian Guard and leave for the ERE.

Mind you, something similar is already in the game, if maybe accidentally. I've seen the Doge of Venice join one of the Holy Orders after I nabbed his city. He even ended up being the Grandmaster.

 

[ByzCrusader]

Interesting development, makes sense if he was invited I guess.. A bit OT but I think it would be cool if there was an event where the children of Nordic and Anglo-Saxon lords could join the Varangian Guard and leave for the ERE.

That would be really cool, maybe some 4th or 5th sons who have nothing to gain?

 

[Heartsbane]

That would be really cool, maybe some 4th or 5th sons who have nothing to gain?

Sure, I think it would be interesting. Also if the Normans win the invasions (which they always seem to with the new patch) maybe some Saxon lords and courtiers can swell the ranks of the Varanagians l just like what happened historically. I'm not sure what the best way to implement such a feature would be.

 

[Dearmad]

nope this is bullshit that happens with long living rulers, your grandchildren also get claims on succession so will leave your court at the first invite, usually from a weak count or someone else in absolutely no position to press their claims.

Give him a reason to stay then... duh.

 

[Orinsul]

It might be a good thing, generally people in the courts of Mercs dont marry, so having him waiting for you to die there instead of waiting for you to die in the court of an angry duke or neighbouring king means that he wont marry till youre in control of him again.
Also the Guard is probably landless so in less of a position to plot/faction to put him on the throne so less of a threat than if he'd gone elsewhere.

 

[Talq]

Give him a reason to stay then... duh.

I'm more agreeable to Frozen Predators position than yours. The heir to the throne of the Roman Empire getting antsy for the top job may be realistic - but heading to the court of some non-entity count that has no real hope of pressing his claim, then becoming heir to a bishopric (and removing himself from sucession) or getting mat-married, without that individual saying 'nah-uh, I'm out of here' or the father going justifiably berserk and vetoing everything, is pushing the line to mechanics over realism. Its also pretty much only because the game doesn't take account of actually being heir, but gets into a flap over claims & (arbitrary) pretender status.

 

[Kanin_Usagi]

I had my bastard daughter marry one of the Varangian Guard before. That was an event though, and she wasn't super useful to me anyway.

 

[Lando_Viggo]

Why on earth would he leave court for the Varangian Guard? And I wasn't aware your heirs could just go autonomous like that...? :S

You're asking why someone would prefer to join a group of mercenary vikings instead of sitting around a roman court waiting for his father to die?
I'm sorry, as a Swede I might be biased but.. I just don't see the "why" in this : P