My first WC

[stnikolauswagne]

Anyway, to the topic of moving the capital: If you have allready connected your Asian holdings to europe you just have move your capital to the actual european continent at one point or another, if you didnt, you should probably move it to the eastern extent of your Realm, while still staying in Europe. The actual travel-time should be pretty much a non-issue, you can allways conquer china while those colonists are travelling, and if you "snake" through the hordes you have lots of places to send those colonists.
Btw: Why have you not formed France? As an England- formed France you get lots of cores for free, also your capital will allready be at the mainland....

 

[Chronicler]

I just had a look at the files, and making calais the staple port AND a cot doesnt seem to be that practical easy, IIRC you cant make a province a cot if the neighbouring province is a cot, so you had to first destroy antwerp (-20 prestige) and then set up a cot in calais (-500 Gold), while only getting a plus of, 15 gold census tax and 7.5 gold income per year, that means it takes around 22 years to pay the investment back and, assuming you managed all that by 1421 you get a total of 9000 gold until the end of the game..... Thats not an ecconomic strategy, thats a late-game census tax! For comparison, if you build enough manpower buildings and weapon manufactories that can raise the value of iron and copper to around 300, and with Siberia you will have dozens of those.

Anyway, to the topic of moving the capital: If you have allready connected your Asian holdings to europe you just have move your capital to the actual european continent at one point or another, if you didnt, you should probably move it to the eastern extent of your Realm, while still staying in Europe. The actual travel-time should be pretty much a non-issue, you can allways conquer china while those colonists are travelling, and if you "snake" through the hordes you have lots of places to send those colonists.
Btw: Why have you not formed France? As an England- formed France you get lots of cores for free, also your capital will allready be at the mainland....

Where did you get that from? That I can't make a CoT if a close province is a CoT?

I created Calais CoT when Antwerpen still existed, when doing so, all my provinces switch to Calais, and the Antwerpen CoT dropped in value to 200 ducats.
While my Calais cot instantly got to 1200-1300 ducats.

If a closeby cot is valued over 500 ducats you can always create a new one.

What I get is this:

By owning my own CoT I get +2 added tax for each 100 ducats? or what was it?

I get other bonuses as well, and I get a higher compete chance on the things in the cot. True, I never calculated how effective it would be in the long run. But I did this in 1450ish. So someone who knows the game better might be able to calc it all out. (Plan was to get high-tier extra tax buildings later.)

EDIT: And I feel forming France as England is kind of gamey. (Also I want the british decisions since I find those better than the french ones)

I'm not only doing a wc but trying to beat the record of best economy as well.

 

[Chronicler]

Please check your facts before posting,

[ http://imageshack.us/f/15/liedetected.png/ ] somehow I cantpost images here, but that doesnt matter.
Unless its fundamentally diferent in calais (i also tested with Pskov, but novgorod was above 800 in value so i gave you the benefit of doubt, loaded as kongo, first tried creating a cot while still owning ndongo, then i sold it to a newly created vassal and still couldnt create one, so I just have to assume you are somehow lying.....
Anyway, you might be right about the british decisions, but I am pretty sure that if you want to go for highest Income you should reload an earlier save and create the netherlands instead, they have better decisions and thats what quoou did for his record (IIRC).

You do realize that Calais doesn't border Antwerpen?...why not try...in Calais?

 

[stnikolauswagne]

Woah, sorry there, you are of course right, that was really, really, REALLY stupid of me, the only thing in the trigger is that antwerp has to be a cot and not owned by england and not that it has to border antwerp, sorry, i will erase those posts.....

 

[unmerged(204522)]

Thrace could perhaps be a good capital. But I don't think travel time on hordes is an issue, and doing so I would get longer travel time to the americas.

if thrace was your capital, your land bridge to asia could be shut down with a galley in the straits-why are you building colonies in america?

 

[alexti]

Either way, it's a choice as to whether to colonise the hordes or the americas more quickly.

Travel time has little effect on colonization of Americas (or any unsettled land) - since you send a colonist and forget about it all the distance does is adds a total lag of few months. This lag doesn't accumulate. With hordes situation is very different, since you are at war when you colonize them and this prevents number of important actions (such as releasing vassals or dissolving alliances, for example), so you want to conduct it in a timely manner (and sometimes that means sending more than 1 colonist per horde province). So distance to hordes plays much bigger effect

 

[alexti]

EDIT: And I feel forming France as England is kind of gamey. (Also I want the british decisions since I find those better than the french ones)

If you're forming HRE and PU left and right I wouldn't worry about forming France

I'm not only doing a wc but trying to beat the record of best economy as well.

I suspect that in this case it's better to do "slow" WC. If you keep some nations alive for a long time you'll get more magistrates via SoI and be able to build more trade buildings. It would be a very boring process though, I think

 

[Chronicler]

If you're forming HRE and PU left and right I wouldn't worry about forming France


I suspect that in this case it's better to do "slow" WC. If you keep some nations alive for a long time you'll get more magistrates via SoI and be able to build more trade buildings. It would be a very boring process though, I think

Nah, I think speedy is better, I will keep orthodox opms alive (and some muslim states..opms), and papal states (so I get all the cardies). And keep those in my soi.

 

[alexti]

Nah, I think speedy is better, I will keep orthodox opms alive (and some muslim states..opms), and papal states (so I get all the cardies). And keep those in my soi.

Speed doesn't help your economy. Since you're doing WC your number of provinces is more or less fixed, but in huge empire Post Offices are huge - so you want to build as many as possible and that's limited by how many magistrates you can generate, so playing for extra 100-200 years will boost your economy immensely, perhaps you can complete tech tree

 

[stnikolauswagne]

Also you might want to consider keeping the HRE alive for the imperial integrity modifier, it gives a tax bonus afterall.

 

[Chronicler]

Speed doesn't help your economy. Since you're doing WC your number of provinces is more or less fixed, but in huge empire Post Offices are huge - so you want to build as many as possible and that's limited by how many magistrates you can generate, so playing for extra 100-200 years will boost your economy immensely, perhaps you can complete tech tree

No but getting cores and my own culture and religion quicker does.

 

[Chronicler]

Also you might want to consider keeping the HRE alive for the imperial integrity modifier, it gives a tax bonus afterall.

Yeah, was thinking about that, but it seems impossible.

Also if I form it I will get cores on most provs and they will keep their buildings.

 

[alexti]

No but getting cores and my own culture and religion quicker does.

Those few provinces you needed to leave for large SoI would hardly make any difference to your income. Things like cores, culture and religion are pretty much irrelevant in comparison to trade and production income. If you want to maximize you could leave provinces with wool as independent nations for your SoI

 

[Chronicler]

Those few provinces you needed to leave for large SoI would hardly make any difference to your income. Things like cores, culture and religion are pretty much irrelevant in comparison to trade and production income. If you want to maximize you could leave provinces with wool as independent nations for your SoI

Well, I'm not sure I know what you are trying to say, I my goal have been to max SOI from the start.

 

[alexti]

Well, I'm not sure I know what you are trying to say, I my goal have been to max SOI from the start.

As you annex nations from your SoI you lose the bonus, so if you make a quick WC your SoI will quickly become zero which means no extra magistrates and that's contradictory to your goal of maximizing the economy. Thus to maximize the economy you need to make a slow WC - pretty much finish it just before the end of the game

 

[Chronicler]

As you annex nations from your SoI you lose the bonus, so if you make a quick WC your SoI will quickly become zero which means no extra magistrates and that's contradictory to your goal of maximizing the economy. Thus to maximize the economy you need to make a slow WC - pretty much finish it just before the end of the game

Well ofc I wouldn't annex my soi-nations up until the end >_>.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Yeah, was thinking about that, but it seems impossible.

Also if I form it I will get cores on most provs and they will keep their buildings.

Only if you are a member of the empire and border most of the provinces.

 

[Chronicler]

Only if you are a member of the empire and border most of the provinces.

Yes, I know that. And I have a plan on how to get the best provinces for this.

For example Bremen, Treviso and several other key provinces that are easy to obtain (like during the liberation war of Hamburg), or liberation wars of Albania and Crete.

 

[alexti]

Well ofc I wouldn't annex my soi-nations up until the end >_>.

Sure, but it is advantageous to delay this as long as possible. I imagine it would be incredibly boring though - for the last 200-250 years all you'll be doing is building trade buildings