My Diplomacy Idea

[CocoCincinnati]

So I just finished up my last game pre-Banks and a thought occurred to me. The unbidden invaded and everybody in the galaxy started coming together to face the mutual threat. Borders were opened, rivalries cancelled, defense pacts signed, migration treaties approved, just bam bam bam one after another after another. A galaxy coming together, quite inspiring (to my fanatic pacifist at least).

So I along with a few not so helpful but still eager empire fleets managed to push them back and close the portal and eventually find and eliminate the last traces of them from the galaxy.....and then bam bam bam, immediately one after another after another borders closed, rivalries declared, migration treaties cancelled. A galaxy dividing itself again just one day after the greatest threat in history has been dealt with. And I'm thinking come on everybody, didn't we learn anything (again, this is in character as a fanatic pacifist).

Anyway all of this got me thinking, what if instead of flat diplomacy penalties from differing ethics, they instead gave a negative to trust which was permanent until overcome which could only happen in certain ways but once done, it was permanently overcome. The spiritualist and the materialists might learn to tolerate each other and even become friends once they've had a history of working together, even if it was forced to begin with.

To expand on this, it could open up the potential for a victory condition/goal for the fanatic pacifist ethos where they seek to eliminate conflict in the galaxy. If a new diplomacy option was added called mediate, where a pacifist empire could work to help two AI empires overcome those trust deficits from differing ethics. Obviously border friction is a far bigger problem of causing hostilities but maybe advanced techs or traditions could lead to pacifists even being able to mediate that away somehow (influence costs, energy costs, whatever).

You could even incorporate this into the war in heaven if a pacifist empire could gain enough trust with the warring FE's, maybe the two sides could eventually agree to make that empire an impartial mediator (like space Switzerland) instead of forcing them to choose one side or the other....whole event chains could be created.

Just some rambling thoughts on the eve before Utopia Banks comes out.

 

[pieman]

Yeah, like the USA and Russia. They didn't trust each other, then they were forced to work together to beat the greater threat. And once the Nazis were beaten, they were best friends from then on and everything was fine forever.

It really goes to show just how easy it is for mutually exclusive ideologies with diametrically opposed ideas of utopia to get along.


On a more serious note, more methods of foreign intervention! Loaning fleets for foreign wars, "great power" status allowing you to act like galactic police. Moar internal federation politics!!!

 

[Gregsplays]

So I just finished up my last game pre-Banks and a thought occurred to me. The unbidden invaded and everybody in the galaxy started coming together to face the mutual threat. Borders were opened, rivalries cancelled, defense pacts signed, migration treaties approved, just bam bam bam one after another after another. A galaxy coming together, quite inspiring (to my fanatic pacifist at least).

So I along with a few not so helpful but still eager empire fleets managed to push them back and close the portal and eventually find and eliminate the last traces of them from the galaxy.....and then bam bam bam, immediately one after another after another borders closed, rivalries declared, migration treaties cancelled. A galaxy dividing itself again just one day after the greatest threat in history has been dealt with. And I'm thinking come on everybody, didn't we learn anything (again, this is in character as a fanatic pacifist).

Anyway all of this got me thinking, what if instead of flat diplomacy penalties from differing ethics, they instead gave a negative to trust which was permanent until overcome which could only happen in certain ways but once done, it was permanently overcome. The spiritualist and the materialists might learn to tolerate each other and even become friends once they've had a history of working together, even if it was forced to begin with.

To expand on this, it could open up the potential for a victory condition/goal for the fanatic pacifist ethos where they seek to eliminate conflict in the galaxy. If a new diplomacy option was added called mediate, where a pacifist empire could work to help two AI empires overcome those trust deficits from differing ethics. Obviously border friction is a far bigger problem of causing hostilities but maybe advanced techs or traditions could lead to pacifists even being able to mediate that away somehow (influence costs, energy costs, whatever).

You could even incorporate this into the war in heaven if a pacifist empire could gain enough trust with the warring FE's, maybe the two sides could eventually agree to make that empire an impartial mediator (like space Switzerland) instead of forcing them to choose one side or the other....whole event chains could be created.

Just some rambling thoughts on the eve before Utopia Banks comes out.

I like this idea, so essentially you become a middleman to political turmoil to try and quell the tension between the nations, paradox could instigate a system with lengths of rivalries too, for example, say two empires had been rivals for hundreds of years, constantly hating each other, constantly warring and vying for power, the game could instigate a sort of "tired of the rivalry" modifier which might give a boost to potential opinions on both sides, making it easier for them to reconcile, or have a mediator reconcile them, on the flip side, the rivalries could have an arc, so at the peak of the arc there's little acceptance for peace, but at the beginning and later stages of the rivalry, you could have potential to break the rivalry apart and promote their similarities.