Before I start I'll just say it's posts like this why I rarely visit these forums anymore. It's chock full of equivocation, straw men, bifurcations, circular reasoning, and straight-up non-sequiturs. I'll also add that after posting this I'll be taking another long hiatus from these forums and will not continue this discussion.
Indeed there are A LOT of people who aren't there for an exchange of views but they are rather there to be ignored. Hey there is an ignore button there for a reason!
I understand that you are a humanist and believe that everyone can be transformed into a person of reasoning but... maybe you should consider the possibility that this is simply not true
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